tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204369489157890192024-03-12T16:32:35.455-07:00ConspiraZine!Exposing Suppressed Information and Proudly Under Government Surveillance!ConspiraZine!http://www.blogger.com/profile/01517935464511953712noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-820436948915789019.post-36327223302780197852011-05-02T23:27:00.000-07:002011-05-02T23:27:45.516-07:00This Covert Electromagnetic Era: Domestic Use of Directed Energy Weapons for Political Control<i>By Elana Freeland</i><br />
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Like nuclear radiation, the EM radiation technology in which we’ve become so enmeshed will require a painful learning curve. We’re engaged in a giant world experiment for which electropollution, biological stress, mental health, and even judiciary systems demand immediate and serious re-thinking. Despite corporate media disinformation, we now know that ELF frequencies have a primary impact on all life forms, and that lower power densities can do more damage than higher densities, particularly when it comes to RF or MW absorption. <br />
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It would be comforting to believe that ignorance of the impact on human health here and now and in future generations lies behind the present proliferation of cell towers and Wi-Fi technology. But the dangers inherent in nonionized, nonthermal electromagnetic technology have been well known since Project Pandora in the mid-1960s. Read about it in Robert O. Becker’s 1985 book The Body Electric: Electromagnetism and the Foundation of Life and dispel forever the illusion that the military-industrial complex cares about the loss or debilitation of millions of human beings.<br />
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In the early era of radar, it did not take long for physicians and scientists to grasp what radar operators’ symptoms of sterility, baldness, cataracts behind the lens, white blood cell proliferation, and chromosome changes meant, nor their proclivity for having children with Down’s syndrome. The military’s response was to create yet more secret classifications and to make sure that thermal power density norms ignored nonthermal effects. It was the Cold War and EM open-field research was to be protected at all costs, human health be damned. <br />
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So the American National Standards Institute adopted the safety levels of the Institute of Electrical and Electronic Engineers (IEEE): for frequency, 300 kHz to 100 GHz with everything in North America, Western Europe, and Japan set for 50-60 Hz fields. For power, the 10-100 mW (milliwatts)/cm2 standard was a far cry from that of Soviet Russia; if their limit of 1 microwatt and 10 microwatts on the job was adopted here in the US, 90 percent of our FM stations would have to shut down. <br />
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For specific absorption rate (SAR) standards of cell phones and towers, the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) relied on the IEEE again and the National Council on Radiation Protection and Measurement (NCRPM), then garnered legitimacy from the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), and the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA), none of which backed the standard with scientific research, choosing to believe instead the IEEE story that the effects of nonthermal EMR are not dangerous, despite repeated evidence of biological effects following from nonthermal power densities of 1,000 to 10,000 microwatts.<br />
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So it’s not surprising that none of these standards are law. The military-industrial complex continues to use the frequencies and power they please, from everything running on a battery to electric trains, refinement plants, 500,000 miles of high-voltage power lines and their switching stations operating as gigantic antennae in the ELF band at 60Hz; antitheft systems, metal detectors, air and sea navigation, military communication, and on and on, and ELF fields continue to bombard us, given that the human body’s resonant frequency acts as an antenna or tower. In fact, the ambient ELF systems overlap frequencies and resonate again and again throughout our bodies, interfere with our biocycle timing, and undermine our immune systems. Peak resonant frequency lies in the middle of the VHF band (30-300 MHz) and includes HYPERLINK "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FM_radio" FM radio , HYPERLINK "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television" television , land mobile stations, long range communication with HYPERLINK "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_modem" radio modems , HYPERLINK "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateur_Radio" ham radio , HYPERLINK "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marine_VHF_radio" marine communications , HYPERLINK "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_traffic_control" air traffic control , etc. Superconducting cables increase the field strength around power lines by twenty times, and somehow it’s fine that microwave ovens leak up to 5,000 microwatts and that the cumulative density of radio waves around us is more than 200 million times the natural level from the Sun, including the solar magnetic storms that affect the Schumann frequency of the human mind, a fact reflected in the high psychiatric hospital admissions during solar storms. <br />
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Dr. Becker stresses in The Body Electric that the most concerning frequencies are ELFs:<br />
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"…The major problems come from extremely low frequencies, but higher frequencies have the same effects if pulsed or modulated in the ELF range. This is very often the case, for, to transmit information, microwaves or radio waves must be shaped. This is done by interrupting the beam to form pulses or by modulating the frequency or amplitude (sze) of the waves. Furthermore, today’s environment is a latticework of crisscrossing signals in which there’s always the possibility of synergistic effects or the ‘construction’ of new ELF signals from the patterns of interference between two higher frequencies. Therefore, experiments in which cells or organisms are exposed to a single unmodulated frequency, though sometimes useful, are irrelevant outside the lab. They’re most often done by researchers whose only goal is to be able to say, ‘See, there’s no cause for alarm.’ (284)"<br />
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Myriad experiments have confirmed stress reactions to ELF magnetic and electrical fields and microwave exposures, stress being the precursor to disease that calls upon the immune system to do its magic. Dr. Becker elaborates: <br />
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"In his pioneering lifework on stress, Dr. Hans Selye has clearly drawn the invariable pattern: Initially, the stress activates the hormonal and/or immune systems to a higher-than-normal level, enabling the animal to escape danger or combat disease. If the stress continues, hormone levels and immune reactivity gradually decline to normal. If you stop your experiment at this point, you’re apparently justified in saying, ‘The animal has adapted; the stress is doing it no harm.’ Nevertheless, if the stressful condition persists, hormone and immune levels decline further, well below normal. In medical terms, stress decompensation has set in, and the animal is now more susceptible to other stressors, including malignant growth and infectious diseases. (277)"<br />
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Stress reactions of human beings living under high-voltage wires and over underground power lines can lead causally to cancer or other internal diseases in ten to thirty years, including deep depression and suicide. The adrenal cortex becomes exhausted, the endocrine system erratic. The neurotransmitter acetylcholine emits a subliminal distress signal in fields as innocent as the typical office with its computers, lighting, telephone, and fax machines – and that was pre-WiFi. Human blood triglyceride levels go up, harbinger of strokes, heart attacks, and arteriosclerosis. Blood pressure and brain wave patterns change. Stress response, desynchronized biocycles, interference with cellular metabolism and growth process – the list culminates in genetic alteration of future generations.<br />
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Not only are we caught in the crossfire of FM and television stations and cell phones bouncing from tower to tower, but of military applications, as well. Consumers think of convenience and careers, the military-industrial complex of weapons and control. As Dr. Becker put it, “Because industry and the military demand unrestricted use of electromagnetic fields and radiation, their intrinsic hazards are often compounded by secrecy and deceit.” In my years of piecing together the “national security” non sequiturs surrounding EM technology, the lacunae and disinformation landmines, I have found this “secrecy and deceit” to be true in spades. As electrical engineer Keith Harmon Snow says, “Microwave technologies and electromagnetic energy are used by the military as integral components of weapons systems precisely because they are detrimental to life.” <br />
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By studying the Cold War progression of military weapons research, it has become obvious to me that thousands of nonconsensual human subjects have been used to perfect the EM weapons planned for societal control. From the 1950s into the 1970s, the Soviets zapped the American embassy in Moscow with the tacit consent of American intelligence under Project Pandora. Beginning on the US bicentennial on July 4, 1976, a Soviet ULF radio signal known as the Woodpecker pulsated at a median of 10 Hertz from an enormous Tesla magnifying transmitter in Kiev. Interestingly, its route ended somewhere between Corvallis and Eugene, Oregon. <br />
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Given that pulse-modulated microwaves are efficient carriers for mind control signals in that they can pass through the skull that is otherwise resistant to low-level non-pulsed EM, it is more than interesting that between 1970 and 1975, the suicide rate in Medford, Oregon (population 28,454) rose far above the national average. It seems that the nearby US military base had something to do with “streaming” the Soviet Woodpecker to Medford. In short, both the Soviets and American military were running EM experiments on populations – inducing nuclear magnetic resonance in human tissues, increasing cancer rates, and interfering with mental processes. By 1978, the CIA’s Operation Pique – precursor to the High-frequency Active Auroral Research Project or HAARP – was bouncing radio signals off the ionosphere to affect specific populations. <br />
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Since September 11, 2001, EM weapons have been slowly trotted out for public shock and awe: electronic surveillance technology like radiating devices and receivers, non-radiating devices, laser-facilitated listening devices, both ground and satellite; “hot on the hook” phones, “smart phones,” even eXaudios software that detects and decodes emotions. As for visual surveillance, the 1998 film Enemy of the State with Will Smith and Gene Hackman offered an entertaining picture of how “eye in the sky” satellites and aircraft see all and track all, like the Iris satellites that track body heat with infrared. Open source data surveillance technology like microcomputers, pattern recognition, voice- and thought-activation can all be remotely controlled by computer – up to the context of remote brain wave monitoring of thoughts. <br />
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Two categories of electromagnetic weapons that have now gone more or less public are antipersonnel high-powered microwave projectiles (HPMs) and anti-materiel electromagnetic pulses (EMPs). Antipersonnel weapons include sonic, phaser (photon amplification by stimulated emission of radiation), and psychotronic scalar wave and infrared weapons. Sound like science fiction? Think again. The corporate media insists they’re still in the future, but the truth is far different. The future is here.<br />
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The most well known antipersonnel HPM is the Active Denial System (ADS) pulsing EMR at 95GHz to boil molecules in and under the human skin. It is being used all over the world for war and in countries that have signed Status of Forces Agreements with the US. The Long Range Acoustic Device (LRAD), now a 45-pound disc 33 inches in diameter that emits sound at high frequency (2.5 kHz) in a 30° beam. Usually mounted on a Hummer, it is primarily used for crowd control. Though categorized as a non-lethal weapon, a turn of the dial will produce permanent ear damage and cook eyeballs and organs. <br />
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An EMP is the burst of HYPERLINK "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_radiation" electromagnetic radiation resulting from a HYPERLINK "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapon" nuclear weapon detonation and/or a suddenly fluctuating HYPERLINK "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_field" magnetic field . Rapidly changing electric or magnetic fields then couple with electronic systems and produce damaging current and HYPERLINK "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voltage_spike" voltage surges . A detonation a few thousand miles above the Earth can destroy all electronics across the continent. <br />
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My primary interest has been the EM weapons that have not been made public because they are being covertly used for political control in a quiet war against populations, dissidents, and individuals displeasing to G8 powers. Examples include laser systems (free-electron, x-ray, neutral particle beam, chemical-oxygen-iodine, mid-infrared advanced chemical laser, etc.) that deliver blurred vision and holographs; ion-beam plasma augmented reality mind control delivered by satellites that first track targets via their bioenergetic signatures and then couple plasma with their EM fields; and of course nonaural carriers that directly induce silent subliminal messages into the brain. <br />
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The CIA’s notorious Cold War MK-ULTRA programs have seamlessly morphed into remote electromagnetic mind control that can deliver hypnotism, diseases, and drugs via modulated electromagnetic energy. Back as early as the Fifties, pulsed frequencies were used for confusion beam weaponry, initially studied in depth by CIA-funded W. Ross Adey, MD at the Brain Research Institute of University of California. The pulses changed the brain’s calcium flow and interfered with concentration, disrupted sleep, and changed brain function. Author Evelyn Waugh refers to such a device in his 1957 novel The Ordeal of Gilbert Pinford – an experience Waugh himself underwent. The device was the LIDA machine, a Soviet brain-entrainment machine emitting waves at 10 Hertz. Russia’s chess champion Boris Spassky claimed he lost the 1972 world championship to Bobby Fischer due to being bombarded with confusion rays. <br />
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In 1958, when he was 14 years old, Dr. Patrick Flanagan invented the Neurophone in Bellaire, Texas. Once the military weaponized his invention, neurophones were delivering aural harassment via microwaves or lasers by converting sound to electrical impulses transmitted in radio waves to the skin to convince the brain that they were audible.<br />
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In 1961, neuroscientist Allan Frey sliced microwave carriers, inserted audio modulation, and remotely sent “microwave hearing” to targets’ auditory cortex, sensed in the temporal region above and in front of the ears. Sometimes targets can tell when they’re being zapped by low-power microwaves (microwatts/c2) pulsed at 300-3,000 megahertz because the beam will boom, hiss, click, or buzz just behind the head. Frey pulsed microwave beams to increase the permeability of the blood-brain barrier in order to enhance the effects of drugs, bacteria, and poisons for the CIA. He discovered how to speed up, slow down, or stop hearts by synchronizing heartbeat to a pulsating microwave beam – in other words, induce a remote-controlled heart attack.<br />
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In 1969, Yale professor José M.R. Delgado, a Spanish advocate of “psycho-civilized” society, perfected remote electrical stimulation of the brain (ESB) to control behaviors, actions, instincts, and emotions from a distance. Today, focused EMR beams can manage the brain like an electrical toy.<br />
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In 1973, Dr. Joseph C. Sharp of Walter Reed Army Institute of Research modeled the pulsed microwave audiogram – an analog of words’ sound vibrations – on Flanagan’s neurophone and beamed words into the brain. Today, synthetic telepathy connects subvocalized signals in the brain to a computer via MASER beam. Software then associates specific brain-exciting potentials with particular words and “reads” subvocalized 15Hz, 5mW thoughts from the auditory cortex. CCTV of the mind. By using ELF audiograms carried by a single pulse-modulated MASER, subvocalized thoughts of synthetic telepathy operators can be beamed into the target’s brain for forced “conversation.” As Dr. Becker says, “Such a device has obvious applications in covert operations designed to drive a target crazy with ‘voices’ or deliver undetectable instructions to a programmed assassin.”<br />
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In the 1970s and 1980s, Igor Smirnov, the father of "psycho-correction" – a term he used to denote the use of subliminal messages to alter the will or modify the personality without the subject’s knowledge – perfected using electroencephalographs (EEGs) to measure brain waves, then created a computerized map of the individual subconscious and impulses such as anger and sex drive. The mapping of primary frequency allocation and distribution of biotelemetrically responsive frequencies is known in the intel biz as prima freaking. With taped subliminal messages, Smirnov could then alter the mental landscape. <br />
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Brain wave monitors have graduated from EEGs to magnetoencephalographs (MEGs) that correlate brain wave patterns via a remote crystalline computer whose software reads and translates spoken words and silent thought. “EEG cloning” can monitor the target’s electromagnetic field, decode it through computer software, then feed emotional patterns back to the target’s brain or to another brain. A 5-micromillimeter microchip placed in the optical nerve can draw neuroimpulses from the brain so as to “eavesdrop” on the implanted person and transfer his or her thoughts to a computer where they will be stored until they’re projected back into the brain to be re-experienced as hallucinations, voices from past conversations, etc. National Security Agency (NSA) SIGINT monitors brain waves via satellite, decodes evoked 5-milliwatt potentials of the brain at 3.50Hz, and transmits them to a VHSIC (very high speed integrated circuit) computer monitor to set up forced “conversations.” As Paul Baird says at his site HYPERLINK "http://www.surveillanceissues.com" http://www.surveillanceissues.com :<br />
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Human thought operates at 5,000 bits/sec but satellites and various forms of biotelemetry can deliver those thoughts to supercomputers in Maryland, Israel, etc. which have a speed of 20 BILLION bits/sec each. These, even today, monitor millions of people simultaneously. Eventually, they will monitor almost everyone…worse than any Orwellian “Big Brother” nightmare you could possibly imagine, only it will be a reality. Yet our world leaders, who know this, do nothing.<br />
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Usually the targets are aware their brain waves are being monitored because of the accompanying neurophone feedback. In other words, the computer (echoes) your own thoughts and then the human monitors comment or respond verbally. Both are facilitated by the neurophone.<br />
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Whilst the live/human comments are individualistic and unrelated to the victim’s own thought processes, oftentimes the artificial intelligence involved will parrot standard phrases. These are triggered by your thoughts while the human monitors remain silent or absent.<br />
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To comprehend how terrible such a thorough invasion of privacy can be, imagine being quizzed on your past as you lie in bed. You eventually fall off to sleep, having personal or “induced” dreams, only to wake to the monitor’s commenting/ridiculing your subconscious thoughts (dreams).<br />
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Today, microwave transmitters beam specific mood-inducing excitation potentials at the target’s brain after millimeter wave scanners locate it by penetrating walls. Other people in the building remain oblivious while the excitation potential for suicide or murder resets the brain for depression or rage that eventually spirals out of control. In my opinion, this is what happened to “depressed” political activist Abbie Hoffman and journalist Gary Webb. Tim Rifat explains:<br />
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"Intelligence chiefs are now in seventh heaven. If someone becomes a problem, they park the ‘suicide mind control team’ outside their house. Suicides are easy to explain away. Or they can discredit you by driving you mad by beaming the excitation potential of a pathological mental state at your brain. They place sounds and speech in the target victim’s brain that no one else can hear, called inter-cerebral hearing. This is now common practice. Instead of using excitation potentials, a transducer modifies the spoken word into ELF audiograms that are then superimposed on the pulse-modulated microwave beam. Outside environmental reinforcement via media agents in league with MI5 [UK FBI] assure that the high-profile person’s mind-controlled madness will be put in the worst possible light to discredit them…"<br />
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In 2003, Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) launched the Brain Machine Interface (BMI) program to create “new technologies for augmenting human performance through the ability to noninvasively access these codes in the brain in real time and integrate them into peripheral device or systems operations.” (BAA 01-42, Addendum 1, Special Focus Area: Brain Machine Interfaces, HYPERLINK "http://www.darpa.mil/baa/baa01-42modl.htm" http://www.darpa.mil/baa/baa01-42modl.htm ) Unlike EEGs, MEG scanners have the speed and resolution to make brain-machine interface possible. Room-temperature superconductors have made MEGs portable, perfect for in-the-field experimentation or harassment. Soldiers will soon be wearing MEG-scanner “thought helmets” and carry backpack signal-processing supercomputers. (Mark Thompson, “The Army’s Totally Serious Mind-Control Project.” Time, September 14, 2008)<br />
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It doesn’t take rocket science to see that remote satellite tracking and over-the-horizon technologies are not just about “terrorists.” Remote torture and interrogation, memories triggered by neurophone questioning, and brain wave analysers delivering answers and programming spell electronic POW concentration camps, mental rape, and intellectual property stolen right from one’s thoughts. These weapons are being used to influence or otherwise discredit and silence if not murder voters, lobbyists, senators, dissenters, writers, activists, whistleblowers, Hollywood stars, and resistant but knowledgeable scientists. One example among many was Michael Dukakis, the 1988 Democratic presidential candidate who had the misfortune to run against George H.W. Bush while his wife Kitty was being driven to the brink of suicide. The thoughts and emotions of millions of targets are being archived on computers for use in cybernetics and robotics, and those doing on-the-ground monitoring and harassing (“gaslighting”) are often the lowest of the low with no fear of reprisal, thanks to their political or intelligence connections. <br />
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Attempts to protect democratically inclined regimes from mind manipulation weapons have so far been toothless. Sen. John Glenn, who well knows the truth of this technology, introduced a bill called the Human Research Subject Protection Act of 1997; in 1999, the European Parliament pressed for the Resolution on Environment Security and Foreign Policy; the United Nations Institute for Disarmament Research called for a disarmament of mind control weapons. But to my knowledge, the only law on the books that criminalizes using EM weapons against citizens is Michigan Public Acts 256 and 257, signed by Canadian-born Governor Jennifer Granholm on December 28, 2003. The penalty is 15 years to life, but the question is, are abusers being prosecuted?<br />
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In 1975, the Soviets proposed to the UN General Assembly a ban on the weapons General Secretary Leonard Brezhnev called “more frightful than the mind of man has ever conceived.” Now, there are electron “amnesia” beams and magnetophosphene guns that make you “see stars”; hand-held VLF (20-35KHz) infrasound generators that trigger nausea, diarrhea, and abdominal pain. Brilliant Eyes surveillance satellites are equipped with multispectral scanners, interferometers, visible infrared spin scan radiometers, cryocoolers, hydride sorption beds, brain maps, and neurophones to alter behavior subliminally. An electronic imaging satellite beam can lock onto a human target in real time and assault him or her with a laser. <br />
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Also in 1975, Senator Frank Church of the Senate Intelligence Committee spoke wise words that may now be too late:<br />
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"I know the capacity that there is to make tyranny total in America and we must see to it that this agency [the National Security Agency] and all agencies that possess this technology operate within the law and under proper supervision, so that we never cross over that abyss from which there is no return."<br />
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Ten years later in 1985, Dr. Becker warned:<br />
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"Eventual monitoring of evoked potentials from the EEG, combined with radio-frequency and microwave broadcasts designed to produce specific thoughts or moods, such as compliance and complacency, promises a method of mind control that poses immense danger to all societies – tyranny without terror… the hypnotic familiarity of TV and radio, combined with the biological effects of their broadcast beams, may already constitute a similar force for mass standardization, whether by design or not. (320)"<br />
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Unfortunately, that “agency and other agencies” have gone free market, hiring private security firms and mobsters to do their dirty work (The [Glasgow] Herald, “Brainwash killers ‘still in use’,” May 26, 1995). “NSA self-initiated executions” known as suicides, like that of singer Kurt Cobain, now constitute remotely driven “psychological engineering.” According to Eldon Byrd, former scientist for Naval Surface Weapons, Office of Non-Lethal Weapons, even cerebral imaging and dreams can be managed at a distance via the scalar component of a weak magnetic field. (New World Vistas, a 16-volume 1996 US Air Force publication.) Medical engineer Lt. Col. Thomas E. Bearden writes about scalar electromagnetic phenomena that make it possible to construct thoughtforms to order and input them directly into the mind and long-term memory through what Bearden calls “a hidden channel to pipe in inputs.”<br />
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As for the “asymmetric” Revolution in Military Affairs (RMA), it is all about “strategic personality simulations” and the cognotechnology of nanotech, biotech, and information technology. Soldiers are being injected with intelligence-manned interface (IMI) biotics so that 20-billion-bit/second NSA supercomputers can track them and see and hear what they experience with a remote monitoring system (RMS); SEAL assassins are being brain-wiped. Cognitive warfare is a form of mind control that uses acoustical, optical, and electromagnetic fields or a combination of the three to interfere with the biological processes of the target. Voluntary muscle movements can be restrained, emotions and actions controlled, sleep produced or prevented, short- and long-term memories wiped, and all by remote control. S4s (Silent Sound Spread Spectrum) on board EC-130E Commando Solo’s entrain brainwaves, then piggyback stored emotion signature clusters or voice commands on AM, FM, HF, TV, or military bands via the military’s Omega communications system. <br />
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Broadcast preparatory sets encoded on microwave beams produce heart attacks, strokes, paralysis, etc. Illnesses like flue are fired at targets. Buildings where dissident groups meet are turned into instantaneous hot spots. Government abductions are disguised as alien abductions with paralysis beams followed by clearing short-term memories and implanting false memories. Bugging is now a matter of firing lasers at windows to expose the modulations of sounds inside. Even the subliminals on television and in films have not been eliminated, just improved: embedded low light images are blended just below the threshold of normal vision to produce a film within a film, along with precise digital transmissions of hexidecimal color codes like the ones in the 1997 film Close Encounters of the Third Kind – and that was in 1977. <br />
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The almost absolute power exercised over communities by the military contractors known as telecommunication corporations goes back to a secret agreement in 1995 – the year before the notorious Telecommunications Act of 1996 – between the Department of Defense and Department of Justice via the National Institute of Justice (NIJ). Basically, it merged US military, big defense contractor corporations, military-endowed science, and law enforcement, including a joint policy of dual use for non-lethal weapons like the ADS or LRAD and remote EM mind control technologies discussed here. The agreement changed the Cold War word “external enemy” to “[foreign or domestic] adversary” (now “terrorists”), meaning anyone whose activities displease military or law enforcement. <br />
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In Mind Control World Control, the late Jim Keith relates an Operation Weed & Seed story about living for three years in the Tenderloin in San Francisco. The top of the Federal Building was actually a radar, microwave, and radio shield for an array of communications devices, and from its roof, you could see anywhere in the Tenderloin. Given that ELF and ULF emissions (like TV broadcasts) don’t pass well through earth or buildings, Keith noticed that early morning or evening a low buzzing or humming coming from inside his head disrupted his thoughts and he heard neighbors shouting and threatening outside. The Tenderloin had become a double-bind experiment precisely monitored through the police department. Who would take the complaints of anyone poor, mentally unstable, or addicted seriously?<br />
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Tim Rifat in the United Kingdom reports that Sussex police have exclusive use of the 450MHz microwave frequency on their 200-foot antenna, the same frequency pulsed at 0.75mW/cm2 used by Ross Adey for behavior modification and the same pulse modulation in cell phone earpieces. Pulse an ELF signal at this frequency out to all antennae around town and it will resonate in the pulsed fields around the power lines, re-radiate and enter homes on light circuits. Are you getting my drift?<br />
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Hundreds of microwave towers and antennae are going up to accommodate 3-4 Gigabyte cell phones in a pulse-modulated grid known in part as NetRad – at the top of each tower, long-wave, tissues-penetrating microwave radiation bombarding everyone below and in its path; at the bottom, video monitors, miniature sensors (magnetic, seismic, infrared, radar, and strain electromagnetic), and signals processing supposedly for weather and atmospheric surveillance, detection of biological agents, radiation release, etc. The fact is that NetRad has been crafted by the military-industrial complex: UMASS Microwave Infrared Remote Sensing Labs (MIRSL) AT&T, Radian Corporation/ONEX Corporation, and all the octopus military contractors protected under the Telecommunications Act of 1996 and the Harvard Center for Risk Analysis, an industry front funded by 100 of the world’s largest, most powerful corporations. In the guise of consumer convenience, dual use technology is arriving in every neighborhood. Dual use, double jeopardy. <br />
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Much of the historical data in this essay comes from CIA testimony on September 21, 1977 before the Subcommittee on Health and Scientific Research, along with FOIA requests of declassified materials. More information is available on the Internet from researchers and targets who have directly experienced DEW torture, nonconsensual experimental subjects who are often highly verbal, individualistic people living alone without good family relations and relatives often connected with intelligence or security services. Though not all reports are credible, my experience has been that most are if you are somewhat familiar with how the technology works. <br />
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We are lab rats in a Martin Seligman learned helplessness experiment. Our fear and depression, passivity, isolation, poor health, immobility, stress, even madness and suicide are recorded and followed up on. Report electronic surveillance and harassment to the police and you are discredited. Check into a psych ward for safety and, thanks to the Diagnostic Statistical Manual IV crafted by the American Psychiatric Association, you’ll be diagnosed paranoid schizophrenic and discredited. No-win is the victory of learned helplessness, and for those Americans who still seek to exercise their rights, “exotic” high-tech weapons await them – blinding lasers, acoustic or sonic weapons, RF, VLF, and “tunable” microwave ADS that cook “adversaries.”<br />
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In our cities, we no longer hear or feel the Earth’s field to which all of life pulsates. We are clogged with an EM fog. We are slow-boiling frogs in an EM soup. Our biological cycles are off, and chronic stress and disease are mounting, making the medical and pharmaceutical industries richer than their wildest dreams. As Dr. Becker says, the ultimate weapon is manipulation of our EM environment because it’s imperceptibly subtle and strikes at the core of life itself while we’re on the cell phone or computer, listening to music, watching television, or going through the x-ray scanner at the airport. <br />
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It is time to turn away from the technological spell we are under and examine the devil’s deal we have made with powers who have a 1984 future in mind for us. As Eleanor White writes at her site HYPERLINK "http://www.raven1.net" http://www.raven1.net , “For the first time in history, one human being, from hiding, at a distance, can control the thoughts and actions of another by way of undetectable hypnosis, using still-classified electronic technology. These devices have totally disabled the world’s justice systems. Zero-evidence weapons make revenge crimes routine and easy.”<br />
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Loss of the freedom of thought. Loss of a republic. Loss of civilization and what is human. These are the costs of sleeping in our chains of comfort and convenience. Is this what we’re prepared to pay?<br />
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Sources<br />
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“Appraisal of Technologies of Political Control,” 1998. European Parliament, Scientific Technological Options Assessment (STOA).<br />
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Becker, MD, Robert O. The Body Electric: Electromagnetism and the Foundation of Life. New York: William Morrow, 1985; especially Chapter 15, “Maxwell’s Silver Hammer.” <br />
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Brodeur, Paul. Zapping of America: Microwaves, Their Deadly Risk and Cover-up. W.W. Norton & Co., 1977. <br />
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Burrows, William E. Deep Black: Space Espionage and National Security. Berkley Books: 1988.<br />
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Byrd, Eldon. “Recent Advances in Scalar Technologies.” Paper delivered on July 23, 2000 to the 26th annual conference of the US Psychotronics Association in Columbus, Ohio.<br />
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Categories of Surveillance / Harassment Technologies.<br />
HYPERLINK "http://www.surveillanceissues.com" http://www.surveillanceissues.com <br />
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Collins, Tony. Open Verdict: An Account of 25 Mysterious Deaths in the Defence Industry. Sphere Books, 1990.<br />
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Enemy of the State. 1998. Directed by Tony Scott.<br />
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Fleming, John. “The Shocking Menace of Satellite Surveillance.” PRAVDA.Ru. 07-14-2001.<br />
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Lin, Dr. James C. Electromagnetic Interaction with Biological Systems. New York: Plenum Press, 1989.<br />
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Luukanen-Kilde, MD, Rauni-Leena, former chief medical officer of Finland. “Microchip Implants, Mind Control, and Cybernetics.” December 6, 2000.<br />
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Michigan Public Law 256 2003 and 257 2003. HYPERLINK "http://www.michiganlegislature.org/mileg.asp?page=PublicActs" http://www.michiganlegislature.org/mileg.asp?page=PublicActs <br />
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Rifat, Tim. “Mindcontrol in the UK: ELF pulse-modulated microwave remote mind control technology.” The Truth Campaign, Spring 1999.<br />
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Rowlett, Curt. “Project MKULTRA: Did the Government Actually Create Programmed Assassins?” [http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/msg35144.html]<br />
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Snow, Keith Harmon. “NetRad in the Neighborhood: Illuminating the Cell Tower Agenda.” February 28, 2004.<br />
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Stine, G. Harry. Confrontation in Space. Prentice Hall, 1981. <br />
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The Listening. 2007. Echo Film. Directed by Giacomo Martelli.<br />
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“The Mind Has No Firewalls.” U.S. Army War College. Parameters, Spring 1998. <br />
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Tyner, Arlene. “High-Tech Crimes and Electromagnetic Madness,” Parts 1-4. 2001.<br />
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Sources of support, healing, and protection<br />
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US Psychotronics Association<br />
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Radionics: Action at a Distance, a 1990 film with Tom Bearden.<br />
http://opposingdigits.com/forums/post-5732.html<br />
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Eleanor White, former US Navy engineer HYPERLINK "http://www.raven1.net" http://www.raven1.net <br />
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Cheryl Welsh HYPERLINK "http://www.mindjustice.org/" http://www.mindjustice.org/ <br />
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Roger Tolces, Advanced Electronic Security Co.<br />
HYPERLINK "http://www.bugsweeps.com/info/electronic_harassment.html" http://www.bugsweeps.com/info/electronic_harassment.html <br />
For electronic harassment (voice-to-skull or V2K).<br />
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Dr. Wilhelm Reich’s Orgone Accumulator<br />
http://www.orgone.org/forums/pubfrmorac0x.htm<br />
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Terms<br />
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G8 Nations: Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Russia, the United Kingdom, and the United States.<br />
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Hertz = measure of frequency in cycles per second. In the US, electrical power is an alternating cycle (AC) of current and voltage with a frequency of 60 cycles per second regardless of the amount of power used: <br />
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kHz (kilohertz, 103 Hz) <br />
MHz (megahertz, 106 Hz) <br />
GHz (gigahertz, 109 Hz) <br />
THz (terahertz, 1012 Hz)<br />
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Watts = electrical power. For Direct Current (DC), watts = volts x amps. For Alternating Current (AC), calculating watts is more complicated but if using the Root Mean Squared (RMS) values for voltage and current, watts = volts x amps. Normal US household electricity is 120 volts, so if your appliance draws 2 amps, watts = 120 volts X 2 amps = 240 watts.<br />
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ULF Ultra-low frequency ELF Extremely low frequency<br />
RF Radio frequency MW Microwave<br />
EMR = electromagnetic radiation EMF = electromagnetic field<br />
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100 mW (milliwatts) = 100,000 microwatts<br />
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DEW = directed-energy weapon<br />
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MASER = the laser equivalent of microwave beams<br />
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ConspiraZine - more conspiracy, less theory!ConspiraZine!http://www.blogger.com/profile/01517935464511953712noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-820436948915789019.post-10333158018226405332011-03-11T19:04:00.000-08:002011-03-11T19:07:41.142-08:00Street Theatre: Street Lights and License Plates<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgi0bJwbpT5ozgb72v5MLiQCASwi4XYdqM4jNgJ4BZZDXLMCqGz4E1pys0GQnF2qEO6IS2dgBspXDUOo74mm_4262zeOiVs8M-0GOI6Hfswrt3J8Su9Uht5rx4jiXcV8xP1oMPnte9MXig/s1600/1152453_signal.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgi0bJwbpT5ozgb72v5MLiQCASwi4XYdqM4jNgJ4BZZDXLMCqGz4E1pys0GQnF2qEO6IS2dgBspXDUOo74mm_4262zeOiVs8M-0GOI6Hfswrt3J8Su9Uht5rx4jiXcV8xP1oMPnte9MXig/s1600/1152453_signal.jpg" /></a></div><i>by Spence Everson</i><br />
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<i> </i>I have experienced street lights going off and on for about 25 years. Many survivors report streetlights blinking out as they drive or walk by. I have pointed it out repeatedly to many people, none of whom were convinced the lights were controlled by anyone. The most common excuse is that they are just burned out. These people were in denial even when brought back a few minutes later to be shown that the lights were not burnt out because they were back on again. Many lights are left on during the day when they should be off, to extend your psychological harassment during daylight hours.<br />
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I don't think streetlights are controlled by satellites, astheorized by some survivors. Almost always, malfunctioning streetlights are the ones that have photoelectric sensors on them. The sensors are the cylindrical devices on top of the streetlights which are visible if you walk down the street a little bit. My guess is that anyone could shine a pen laser at the sensor which would fool the sensor into thinking it was daylight, therefore turning the light off. I have not tried this, due to the potential for being accused of being a perp or set up to get caught doing it. Streetlights have a timed reset switch to cycle them back on. This means that once they are turned off, there is a delay of a minute or two before they can turn back on again. If you knew someone would be driving by in the next minute or so, then you could shut it off and time it to come back on when the person drives by.<br />
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The whole purpose of using streetlights to harass someone can be found in the writings of one of the most notorious mind controllers that worked for the CIA. Sydney Gottlieb wrote that to control someone’s mind, three things are necessary: you have to make them dreadful [full of dread]; you have to make them dependent on you; and you have to disable them. Making streetlights blink out when a targeted victim drives by achieves two of these dictates. A victim will be full of dread every time they drive past the same light that blinked out before, or will dread the area if they did not identify the particular streetlight. This in turn disables them when they realize that they are being followed; it further destabilizes them when they realize that their comings and goings are timed to the second.<br />
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As an MKUltra survivor, I know that hypnosis has been used extensively on me and my family. Switching a light on and off may be a cue to switch from one alter to another. An alternate explanation is that the lights themselves are used as cues to elicit specific behaviors that were hypnotically installed. Cult cue phrases concerning lights are: “Out like a light,” “Out go the lights,” “Lights out,” “Punch his lights out,”“Headlights,” ”Highbeams,” and “Lit up.” Survivors’ particular reactions to these stimuli vary by cult but may include hypnotic orders to leave the house, go to sleep, fight someone, or go to the bar because you are lit up with drugs.<br />
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In my own case, lights were used to cue me to destructive behavior while shopping for food that would prove to be drugged when I ate it. Hundreds of test situations have been tried on me. Often the lights would be used in conjunction with clerks trying to solicit violent behavior, as well. Sometimes potential mates or the perps or both would be waiting at the market to watch, seeing if they could get me to act out. Lights go off when I drive or walk by just to harass me. They seem to be located at popular intersections that control roads going into residential areas. This would be the most bang for a perp’s buck, allowing you to harass several victims that have to drive down a road controlling a large housing district. I have seen, and it was witnessed by my girlfriend, the entire downtown section of streetlights in Mountain View, going off and then back on. This would have been activated by a paid city electrician who had access to the main circuit breakers.<br />
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Parking lot lights have been used against me for years, and are probably"tricked out" with a remote control switch installed with the corporation’s knowledge. Our perps, of course, control the triggering mechanism. This is a second type of switching device because many parking lot lights do not have photo sensors. This is a less dangerous method for the perps, since it does not involve bribing city electricians. A perp may only need to bribe a lowly clerk to flip the parking lot lights on in the daytime, or may involve the manager of a store who is sadistic. Another method is to sabotage the light timer on an accessible exterior wall to come on during daylight hours instead of nighttime. This only involves perps and is useful at stores that are not sadistically inclined. I have mentioned to many clerks and managers that their parking lot lights were on and wasting electricity during daylight hours. Some acted like they already knew that, and some acted like they were unaware of it.<br />
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Many other forms of light harassment have occurred over the years. My perps also use light bulbs that burn out when you turn on the light switch, letting you know they were in the house while you were away. Several years ago, they would even turn off the whole residential blocks electricity at times, but probably got in trouble from the electrical company. This would have been possible by de-activating the knife switch located on some electrical poles to turn off the entire street. Now, they just flick it off for a nanosecond, just enough to make the lights in the house flicker, but not go out. This may merely be a drop in voltage, but would have to be a substantial draw to be noticeable in any one house. They can also make the computer screen waver, but that may be the result of being bathed in electromagnetic waves. Other lights used by perps include car headlights used in daylight (before the regular use of daylight headlights), flicking high beams at me at night, exterior building lights, interior fluorescent lights, and porch lights. They regularly manipulate two neighbors’ motion- activated porch lights. They go on when I drive by or when I am awakened from hypnotic sleep at 3:00 am. At other times, they do not activate. This means someone has to physically turn up the lights’ sensitivity, sneak around at 3:00 am and activate the light, or turn the sensor to the street when you drive by, and then return it to cover just the driveway after you drive by.<br />
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Some streetlights used by the perps in the last few years are the streetlight near the on-ramp to the freeway (trying to convince survivors that we are not free); the beginning of the main road into my residential area; the nearest streetlight to the entrance of the street I live on where I shop for food and get my mail; one fluorescent light in every<br />
classroom I have studied in for the last several years; and any building I regularly visit during the day or night. The sophistication of light manipulation shows that these are not amatuers but highly trained psychopaths, probably with military training in sabotoge and psychological harassment techniques. Obviously the CIA, military, and cults have people available to harass law-biding citizens due to our involuntary cult involvement, anti-war position, political views, environmental affiliations, or because we have accused officials of wrongdoing.<br />
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<b>License Plates</b><br />
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My harassment became overt in 1976. Many of the cars that followed me to school and work had out of state license plates. I assume that it was harder to trace an out of state license plate than a California plate. This would give the perps an advantage if stopped for stalking, parked for observation, or doing something else that was illegal. The California computer system available to local police must not have been able to bring up names and addresses for the registered owners from another state.<br />
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Currently, that information is in the system. A few years after 1976, the perps started using personalized license plates, so that must have been when the computers were updated with interstate access. Traveling around the country, I began to notice that personalized license plates were being used to cue me to certain behaviors. As the years progressed, the plates became more specific and were used more frequently. They can be on a car in front of you while you are stopped at a light, or parked down the street from your home. They might be located next to your favorite stall at work, or parked at the store, where you have to drive by. Usually they are located in a prominent place where they will not be missed. Sometimes, a perp will drive in formation until you have noticed the plate. Many times a perp has pulled in front of me as I leave the house, or leading me to a place where they know I will be going. The cars almost always have plates used to cue behavior. Many may be regular citizens who are bribed to be in a certain place at a certain time, while others are obviously government or cult members’ cars.<br />
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License plates can cue a person subconsciously. Although your mind can consciously read the plate, interpreting the message is often done without being aware of it. This allows the perps to issue comments or commands, and to cue alters if you are multiple. Plates can be used to critique a behavior that just occurred, or demand a behavior or attitude expected at your destination. This kind of visual hypnosis is similar to that of watching TV. If the driver is already road hypnotized, then it would be even more effective. Hypnosis causes the subject to be in an abnormally receptive state, more likely to agree to the behavior being suggested. This subliminal manipulation can be deactivated if brought to a level of full awareness.<br />
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Watching the dynamics of other drivers around you is important. If another driver cuts in front of you and has a personalized license plate, then be aware that it may be an attempt to manipulate you. When that happens to me, I just jockey around in front of the perp car and let them read my anti-MK personalized plate. If it is a perp, they usually turn off the road right after that.<br />
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Plates used to elicit my behavior after being drugged include EEK (7 plates) and EWW (including one US government plate). Some plates are used to stop an entrainment sequence of hypnotic commands. License plates with END in them have been used extensively. After refusing to go on a government/ cult-sanctioned “date,” I saw the plate DYTR8TR (“Die Traitor”). When traveling in the East, I was given the same rental car two years in a row with 007 in the plate. One California plate has B4 ISLEP, a direct reference to the hypnotic cue “Before I sleep” used in the mind control movie, “Telefon.” Other plates used include: 1CNTRLR, ON OFF, PWR NAP, B A*, ZUKEEPR, IN2RISK, MK SAVY, and MC GRA8. I have a list of over 60 plates that have been used more than once.<br />
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Once aware that plates can be used to control behavior, one is less-able to be subconsciously cued. The perps then switch to conscious license cues. These are less effective but still designed to make you change your behavior. The key is being aware that perps want you to change to suit their objectives. Keep your own goals and objectives in mind at all times, especially when you know there are people trying to change them.ConspiraZine!http://www.blogger.com/profile/01517935464511953712noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-820436948915789019.post-50176172519169061762011-03-07T20:31:00.000-08:002011-03-07T20:31:56.999-08:00MASTERS OF PERSUASION: Power, Politics, Money Laundering, Nazi’s, Mind Control, Murder and Medjugore<div class="mbl notesBlogText clearfix"><div><em>By David Guyatt</em><br />
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“Our agency’s information on Medjugorje indicates that it is a “psychological terrorist” site.”This chilling message, from a former Colonel in the Soviet Union’s once vast and powerful security and intelligence apparatus, the KGB, was brief and to the point. It had been received following inquiries made through “official channels” concerning the Catholic shrine in Bosnia.<br />
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The former KGB Colonel added that Medjogorje was, in effect a “… cult or group where hundreds or thousands of people are forced to act against their wills,” and went on to liken the religious activities of Medjugorje to that of the “… People’s Temples sect of Jim Jones,” as well as to David Koresh’s Branch Davidians and the Swiss and Canadian Solar Temple Cult, in addition to the Heavens Gate sect in California which “… all resulted in hundreds of deaths.”<br />
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“Medjugorje seems to be similar to cases of mass hypnosis that we havestudied in Eastern Europe. In Russia we have such specialists as Anatoly Kaspirovsky and Alan Chumack who have demonstrated these techniques in two ways. First in person (sic) contact with large audiencesand second through mass media technology.” The writer then added:<br />
“the easiest targets were women” aged between 35 and 55 years. The motive of these mind control activities said the former spy Colonel was to acquire their money and property.<br />
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On the face of it the Colonel’s message seemed fantastic. It might also have been little more than the result of an anti Catholic prejudice that was widespread in the former communist security apparatus. But a little digging revealed startling corroboration that the former spy may have been telling it like it was.<br />
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<tr><td> <div style="margin-bottom: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 9pt; font-weight: bold;">Table of contents</span> </div><ul style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 8pt; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0px; margin-top: 0pt;"><li>Introduction </li>
<li><a href="http://www.skewsme.com/mind_control.html#informationcontrol">Information Control is Mind Control</a> </li>
<li><a href="http://www.skewsme.com/mind_control.html#advertising">Truth in Advertising</a> </li>
<li><a href="http://www.skewsme.com/mind_control.html#propaganda">Catapult the Propaganda</a> </li>
<li><a href="http://www.skewsme.com/mind_control.html#subliminals">Subliminal Affect</a> </li>
<li><a href="http://www.skewsme.com/mind_control.html#behavior">Behavioral Conditioning</a> </li>
<li><a href="http://www.skewsme.com/mind_control.html#obedience">Obedience to Authority</a> </li>
<li><a href="http://www.skewsme.com/mind_control.html#brainwashing">Brainwashing</a> </li>
<li><a href="http://www.skewsme.com/mind_control.html#thought">Thought Reform</a> </li>
<li><a href="http://www.skewsme.com/mind_control.html#dumb">Dumbed Down</a> </li>
<li><a href="http://www.skewsme.com/mind_control.html#hypnosis">Hypnosis</a> </li>
<li><a href="http://www.skewsme.com/mind_control.html#terror">Terror Cults</a> </li>
<li><a href="http://www.skewsme.com/mind_control.html#torture">Torture</a> </li>
<li><a href="http://www.skewsme.com/mind_control.html#stalking">Stalking</a> </li>
<li><a href="http://www.skewsme.com/mind_control.html#directedsound">Voice of God</a> </li>
<li><a href="http://www.skewsme.com/mind_control.html#implants">Brain Implants</a> </li>
<li><a href="http://www.skewsme.com/mind_control.html#sodiumpentathol">Sodium Pentathol</a> </li>
<li><a href="http://www.skewsme.com/mind_control.html#cannabis">Cannabis</a> </li>
<li><a href="http://www.skewsme.com/mind_control.html#lsd">Lysergic Acid Diethylamide</a> </li>
<li><a href="http://www.skewsme.com/mind_control.html#sexbombs">Sex Bombs</a> </li>
<li><a href="http://www.skewsme.com/mind_control.html#chemtrails">Chemtrails</a> </li>
<li><a href="http://www.skewsme.com/mind_control.html#radiation">Radiation</a> </li>
<li><a href="http://www.skewsme.com/mind_control.html#disney">Disney</a> </li>
<li><a href="http://www.skewsme.com/mind_control.html#illuminati">Illuminati</a> </li>
<li><a href="http://www.skewsme.com/mind_control.html#mkultra">MKULTRA</a> </li>
<li><a href="http://www.skewsme.com/mind_control.html#domestic">Domestic Abuse</a> </li>
<li><a href="http://www.skewsme.com/mind_control.html#abuse">Child Sexual Abuse</a> </li>
<li><a href="http://www.skewsme.com/mind_control.html#reno">Janet Reno</a> </li>
<li><a href="http://www.skewsme.com/mind_control.html#ritual">Abuse Rings</a> </li>
<li><a href="http://www.skewsme.com/mind_control.html#church">Catholic Church</a> </li>
<li><a href="http://www.skewsme.com/mind_control.html#voting">Voting</a> </li>
<li><a href="http://www.skewsme.com/mind_control.html#conclusion">Conclusion</a> </li>
<li><a href="http://www.skewsme.com/mind_control.html#comments">Comments</a> </li>
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</tbody></table><a href="" name="mc"></a>Reading through email spam or the classified advertisements in a progressive newspaper, one may find offers for everything from assertiveness <nobr>training<sup>1</sup></nobr> to <nobr>sexual domination hypnosis<sup>2</sup></nobr> to computer software designed to flash brief messages on the screen with the goal of quitting smoking or losing <nobr>weight.<sup>3</sup></nobr> These are just a few of the many household Mind Control products marketed today promising that their simple tricks will allow anyone to be master of their domain. While the efficacy of these programs is debatable, the science behind them is very real.<br />
The basics of Mind Control are as ancient as mankind itself. Convincing someone to adopt an idea or perform a task is commonplace in every family. As a result, children begin learning skills of persuasion at an early age. Kids may rationalize, peer pressure, beg, bribe, bully, guilt, or resort to any number of other tactics including blackmail and all out violent assault in order to get their way. An increasing number of teens and young adults are starting to hone these skills in order to control family, friends and coworkers.<br />
"Flicking through some of the saner sections of neuro-linguistic programming texts (minus the new age content) brings up the subtle use of language and body-language to influence other people," states United Kingdom Defense Contractor "Mom" in personal correspondence. One method of this technique is through <nobr>"mirroring" <sup>4</sup></nobr> the actions and words of the other person, which Mom explains:<br />
<blockquote> Mirroring fosters a sense of ease or trust. Courting couples tend to do this intuitively (watch dating couples and see how they mirror things like sipping coffee, taking a bite of food, etc.) but it can be used as a way of making the mirrored party susceptible to persuasion. By doing the opposite to mirroring, the other party can be made ill-at-ease and be less amenable to persuasion (basically it rubs them up the wrong way).<br />
</blockquote>Mom points out entertainer <nobr>Derren Brown<sup>5</sup></nobr> whose website reveals that he "can seemingly predict and control human behavior. He doesn't claim to be a mind-reader, instead he describes his craft as a mixture of magic, suggestion, psychology, misdirection and showmanship." Brown "primes" his audience members using subtle clues to respond in predetermined ways. The effect is dramatic.<br />
This phenomenon may be found in simpler form per a circulating email that has the reader calculate the number six several times then asks for a vegetable. It claims 98% of readers will choose <i>carrot</i>. Mom also notes a Mind Control game that primes players based upon their personality: conformists will end up visualizing one image (e.g., an elephant in Denmark) while nonconformists will see another (e.g., an emu in Dubai).<br />
<hr align="left" width="100" /> <h4 style="margin-left: 14px;">Related links</h4><div class="note"><sup>1</sup> Assertiveness Training Websites, SelfGrowth.com: The Online Self Improvement Community, at <a href="http://www.selfgrowth.com/assert.html" target="_blank">http://www.selfgrowth.com/assert.html</a> (retrieved: 3 January 2011). </div><div class="note"><sup>2</sup> Sexual Domination Hypnosis, Google search, at <a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=sexual+domination+hypnosis" target="_blank">http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=sexual+domination+hypnosis</a> (retrieved: 3 January 2011). </div><div class="note"><sup>3</sup> Subliminal Software - Subliminal Messages & Self Hypnosis Software!, Subliminal-Power.com, at <a href="http://www.subliminal-power.com/mind/" target="_blank">http://www.subliminal-power.com/mind/</a> (retrieved: 3 January 2011). </div><div class="note"><sup>4</sup> Mirroring (psychology), Wikipedia.org, at <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirroring_%28psychology%29" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirroring_(psychology)</a> (retrieved: 3 January 2011). </div><div class="note"><sup>5</sup> Derren Brown, at <a href="http://www.derrenbrown.co.uk/" target="_blank">http://www.derrenbrown.co.uk/</a> (retrieved: quoted March 2006; 3 January 2011).</div><h4 style="margin-left: 14px;">Related videos</h4><div class="note"><a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/thaflash1988" target="_blank">thaflash1988</a>, "Derren Brown - Subliminal Advertising," video at YouTube.com, <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyQjr1YL0zg" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyQjr1YL0zg</a> (retrieved: 4 January 2011). (<nobr>Embedding disabled</nobr>)</div><div class="note"><br />
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An illuminating interview with James Evan Pilato, host and webmaster of Media Monarchy, providing in-depth analysis and commentary on cover-ups and conspiracies.<br />
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<b>Aleister Crowley's portrait of LAM which curiously resembles a "gray" alien-like creature.</b><i></i><br />
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By Elana Freeland<br />
July 3, 2003<br />
Featured in the Fall 2003 Issue of MKzine<br />
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<i>E: Tell me about the very first visitation experience you remember. How old were you?</i><br />
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C: The first visitation experiences were not long after my father died. I was probably close to twelve. Not only had my father died and I suffered a complete family breakdown, but there was also -- that was when a lot of the really heavy sexual abuse in my family happened as well. Pretty traumatizing. I started having these experiences at night where I would be lying awake in my bed and I would be paralyzed, I couldn’t move but was completely aware. I couldn’t see them at first, but I distinctly felt their presence. These creatures would just scan me, check me out, sometimes with instruments of light that would scan me from head to toe. Then it changed dramatically, and I could see them, these tall,sort of slight silvery gray creatures.<br />
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<i>E: How many were there?</i><br />
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C: Just the two of them. One seemed to be assisting the other. They removed a section from my cheek about an inch in diameter using these light implements to operate on me. It was a completely bloodless, seamless operation. Then they replaced it, but what they replaced it with felt like my flesh and yet not, like an implant of some sort.<br />
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<i>E: Were they operating from the inside of your cheek or the outside?</i><br />
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C: From the outside, but the hole went right through it.<br />
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<i>E: Were you asleep when this happened? What state of consciousness were you in?</i><br />
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C: I was pretty terrified.<br />
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<i>E: You were in bed?</i><br />
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C: I was in bed and it felt like I was awake and paralyzed -- that I was being held in some sort of stasis against my will. At that point, it was really unpleasant, so I tried to resist and move, and the minute that I did that they used another implement that sent this beam of light down on me and I was in agonizing pain. It was like someone had taken two huge spikes and driven them down into either hemisphere of my skull. I could do nothing but just lie there in agony. There are times in my life when that pain comes back and I feel like it’s being used against me still.<br />
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<i>E: Are they certain times, when you’re thinking certain things?</i><br />
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C: Yes.It comes back when I’m trying to use paranormal skills.<br />
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<i>E: Suchas?</i><br />
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C: Distant viewing, reading thoughts, trying to have an astral projection while conscious-- things like that, things that I used to do pretty commonly.<br />
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<i>E: When you were a child?</i><br />
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C: When I was a kid, I used to do those things really easily.<br />
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<i>E: Can I ask you something before you go on from there? Because sexual abuse is such a trauma and can open parts of us that previously were integrous, can I ask you about the sexual abuse -- who and what kind of trauma was passed on to you, just briefly.</i><br />
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C: Well, I was raped by a woman, if that’s what you’re asking.<br />
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<i>E: Were you actually entered?</i><br />
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C: Was I penetrated?<br />
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<i>E: Uh-huh.</i><br />
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C: No.<br />
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<i>E: But things were done to you against your will?</i><br />
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C: Yes.<br />
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<i>E: Often, trauma is connected to visitations and I don’t quite understand the connection.</i><br />
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C: Well, I think that I have an understanding of that but it’s much later in the story.-- So then I started having the experiences that are described pretty clearly in [the book] Communion --<br />
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<i>E: By Whitley Strieber?</i><br />
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C: --yes, by Whitley Strieber, where there’s a ship outside and I can do things. I’m very alarmed and I get up out of my bed and the whole house is encased in a blue pyramid of crystalline light. That was what Whitley described and it really struck me because it was exactly the same thing that I experienced. That happened a couple of times -- well, more than a couple of times.The second time creatures came into my room and sort of checked me over.The third time -- there was always a sort of aggression and it got more invasive each and every time -- the third time the one thing that was real interesting was I would get up and look outside -- I had shutters on my windows and I’d see this light coming through the shutters. I’d open them and would see the crystal of blue light, the ship, and then instead of being alarmed and panicked I would go back to bed. I was alarmed and panicked, yet I couldn’t do anything about it and was compelled to go back to bed.<br />
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<i>E: It wasn’t like you were being obedient to some sort of inner command?</i><br />
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C: I don’t think so. It was meticulously willed, if it was.<br />
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<i>E: Were you still twelve then?</i><br />
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C: Oh yeah, all this stuff happened in pretty rapid succession. There was one point when they put me on a litter and examined me more in my room. The next time, they put me on the litter and started to take me out of the house, then for some reason changed their minds. Finally, there was a time when they put me on the litter -- I remember distinctly it was very strange because it was the right size for me. It was a raised litter that had this shelf running around the bottom of it and they stood on the shelf so they always leaned slightly.The shelf or litter was just high enough so that when they stood on the shelf I was surrounded by their faces, they were all watching me -- I was surrounded by these heads. Then the thing floated down the hall, out the front door,and started to rise up to the ship.<br />
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At that point, I decided that I wasn’t going to go and I would rather die than go with them. Every time I had tried to resist anything that had been done before, I had always been shocked with pain; this time I made the decision that I wasn’t going to give in to the pain. They were intently applying a lot of pain, very agonizing, and I decided I didn’t care how much it hurt, I was going to will myself to die rather than go with them. At that point, the whole scene completely dissolved and I woke up with this agonizing pain in my forehead, lying on my back in bed. Then I felt a sharp break in the pain in my forehead like it peaked at a huge extreme. I saw a glowing translucent ball of light with faint rainbow colors right next to my bed, with a sort of arch of white light with rainbow colors attached to my head being drawn back into the ball of light.<br />
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I completely confronted it and started having a conversation with it in my mind. It wasn’t a verbal conversation but we were definitely conversing. I said, “Who are you and what do you want?” I sensed hesitancy but not really duplicity on its part. It said, “Basically, I want your pain.” I said, “Emotions are food for you?” and it’s clear that there was a language or translation barrier so there was a lot of hesitancy on its part but it said, “Yes.” And so I said, “Well, what about love?” and I tried to reach into it -- I felt compassion for this being -- and at the least hint of love and contact, it fled the house, completely fled the house. In fact, I was chasing it down the hallway --<br />
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<i>E: Physically?</i><br />
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C: Oh yeah, and I opened the front door -- the front door had been doubly latched,and as I recall, I think I had done that myself because I had such fear of these things that were coming -- you know what I mean? I knew that it was completely irrational to doubly latch the door but I did it anyway. So the latches got in my way and I couldn’t get out in time to pursue it. In my rush, I slammed the front door open and my mother woke up and got upset and said,“What are you doing?” I told her about having these things in my room and that they were hurting me, and she said, “Go to bed, you’re dreaming.” “No,”I said,“I wasn’t dreaming.”<br />
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<i>E: Did you feel that your mother didn’t really know anything about it?</i><br />
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C: No, she hadn’t a clue.-- And then they came back one more time.<br />
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<i>E: The beings, or the ball of light?</i><br />
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C: The ball of light. This time it tried to re-create the abduction experience and all that stuff, and I woke up right away, sat up in bed and looked at it like, “I am so on to you.” I didn’t put it in those terms, but it was like, “Iknow what you’re about and you can’t come here, you can’t feed on me anymore, and never bother me again. You have to go away.” And that was it. I never saw them again.<br />
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The thing is, in my adult life I found out about other cultures talking about these things, like the Indonesians call them the layac --<br />
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<i>E: The layac?</i><br />
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C: -- or the ladac, and they’re often associated with a family that has -- and they’re considered evil spirits -- a family that has had trauma or loss or a nill child, and the layac come when people die in their culture.There’s a real correlation there. These entities have social recognition.<br />
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<i>E: Now, when you say the ladac, is it the ball of light or does that mean the beings?</i><br />
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C: The ball of light.<br />
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<i>E: What is the relationship between those beings that were doing something to you and the ball of light?</i><br />
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C: You know, my understanding of that is that that was a tape that they were playing in my head that they have prepared and used for generations to torment humans with the latest bogey man available to them in current human social consciousness.<br />
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<i>E: So the ship and the operation and the elongated grays or whatever --</i><br />
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C: Yeah, all that stuff is something to stimulate fear so they can juice people for more fear.<br />
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<i>E: What plane of reality do you think they live on?</i><br />
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C: I think that they are inorganic beings of this planet and that they live in the Earth technically on a different dimensional level, and that they have visited our society for millennia, whether as dragons, angels, UFOs and grays or devils from hell -- that these creatures have redefined the tape to some extent, but it’s the same one over and over. The other thing was when I was communicating with it, I realized it didn’t have emotions and was completely neutral to me, that it was the lion and I was the zebra. It had no remorse or any kind of emotion.<br />
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<i>E: Have you talked to other people who’ve had similar experiences?</i><br />
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C: No.<br />
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<i>E: I am wondering if it only strikes children? Children would seem the most vulnerable and the most intense emotionally.</i><br />
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C: I think it grooms children and once it’s formed a relationship with a particular child, it will pursue that person throughout the rest of their life. But it has to create that relationship with the child --<br />
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<i>E: A fear relationship?</i><br />
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C: Yeah. It wouldn’t be as effective with an adult, there’s too much rational mind with an adult.<br />
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<i>E: Do they tend to come at night as opposed to the day?</i><br />
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C: Yes.<br />
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<i>E: Why do you think that is?</i><br />
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C: I think human beings are more easy to prey on at night.<br />
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<i>E: More vulnerable in sleep?</i><br />
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C: Yes, more vulnerable in sleep.<br />
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<i>E: It preys on fear, or is it negative emotions in general?</i><br />
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C: What ever it is, it’s the rational element they want to stay away from.<br />
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<i>E: And that’s how you defeated them, is through figuring it out?</i><br />
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C: Yes.<br />
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<i>E: So that was the last encounter?</i><br />
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C: Yeah.<br />
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<i>E: Has anything else happened in adulthood? You’ve mentioned that sometimes you get the pain in your head if you try paranormal abilities.</i><br />
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C: Yes.<br />
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<i>E: Are there other ways that you’ve noticed an impact?</i><br />
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C: I have been visited by inorganic beings throughout my life since, but never that kind. It’s been different orders of beings.<br />
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<i>E: In sleep?</i><br />
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C: In sleep and waking, but always at night.<br />
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<i>E: Describe some of them.</i><br />
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C: Well, one of the ones that I’ve had the most frequent experiences with is a ball of light, like a bursting ball of lightning but much redder. It is always associated with prickling skin, like a heavy discharge of static electricity, and there is a crackling sound like a very intense fire. They never try and coerce but they’re very charming and seductive, they try to seduce. It’s not as if they actually have any emotional content, but they definitely have a “Come hither” ploy. And I’ve always been really staunch about, “No, I won’t go with you.”<br />
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<i>E: What ages?</i><br />
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C: All the way up until now.<br />
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<i>E: Are you asleep when it happens or semi-asleep?</i><br />
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C: Sometimes, it happens when I’m asleep but usually I wake up. There are times when I have dreams and the dreams are very dynamic -- the feeling is still there of hearing crackling energy and feeling the static on my skin. I’ll wake up out of those dreams and that thing will be there at my bedside, not still as the white balls of light but moving around, sweeping through me. And there’ll be times when I’ll become lucid within the dream and be aware and the dream will wash away and it’ll be just me and the creature in the darkened space, and at those times I’ll physically force myself to awaken. I’ll be lucid so I’ll know if I am actually awake by speaking, and if I can’t speak or move, then I know that I’m actually still asleep and I’ll have to control my body and force myself to wake up. Usually, at that point they’ll be there and they’ll retreat and go away.<br />
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<i>E: So you don’t feel jeopardized by them?</i><br />
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C: No. I always feel that -- well, I do feel jeopardized by the fact that I could be seduced -- If I’m not like vigilance about not accepting their come on.<br />
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<i>E: They’re not trying to be sexual?</i><br />
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C: No, it’s about the energy. They’re trying to lure me into their trap, whatever it may be -- their realm or agreeing to go with them and be part of their activities in such a way that my energy is affected by them.<br />
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<i>E: And is the reason they come to you somehow because the experience before left a signature on you and they know where you are?</i><br />
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C: Yes, I think that may have something to do with it. I think also the paranormal skills that I had as a child may be a special delicacy for their appetites.<br />
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<i>E: Can you talk a little about those paranormal skills you had? Out-of-body, I assume?</i><br />
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C: Alot of out-of-body starting very, very early -- some of my earliest memories are actually out-of-body experiences. Being able to move almost at will as a young child and travel all over the world; one of the most important was being able to fly, that was something I could do both asleep and in out-of-body experiences. Having distant viewing was something I was also very, very good at. There was a point that -- later in my life when I was more cognizant of this world -- I did things like visited the White House during the Reagan-Bush years --<br />
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<i>E: At night?</i><br />
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C: I would spend a lot of time in bed when I was supposed to be asleep having experiences, meditating. I levitated on three different occasions. Being able to do things like that was pretty dramatic -- I don’t know if it was necessarily good for my ego but it really affected how I interacted. I was able to read people’s thoughts on occasion.<br />
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<i>E: When you visited the White House, what did you see?</i><br />
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C: I had seen a broadcast from the Oval Office and had a picture of it, so having that to fix on I used the image and projected myself there. Reagan and Bush were there, and Bush was coaching Reagan about what to say in regard to some public speech. It was arcane and not something that I understood. There was another person there --<br />
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<i>E: Did they know you were there?</i><br />
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C: At some point, it seemed pretty clear that they were aware of my presence, and at that point I can tell you what they said. They said, “Oh well, there’s someone here watching us,” and then Bush, very excited, said, “Who is it, who is it?”and a third voice said, “A boy,” and Bush said, “Oh good, I like little boys.”<br />
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<i>E: Tell me about your father. Did you say once that he was involved with the military?</i><br />
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C: Oh yes, he was involved with the military.<br />
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<i>E: Which branch?</i><br />
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C: With the Army.<br />
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<i>E: What was his role? Was he an officer?</i><br />
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C: Not that I’m aware of.<br />
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<i>E: Was he military intel? Did he go on long trips?</i><br />
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C: Yeah, he did do that. He left the service officially just before the Korean War.<br />
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<i>E: You were born --</i><br />
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C: I was born in ‘66. People have told me that he was in the Army just as a grunt.<br />
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C: You know, when I use them and direct them according to my will,according to what I would choose with my rational mind -- there are times when I feel like there’s someone sort of tuning in, like “Let’s see what we can pick up with this antenna.” But there are times when I talk about this, it does sort of open up that channel and the pain’s starts to come up. And the thing is, when I do my will, it hurts. There’s a pain in a specific location.<br />
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<i>E: Before the experiences when you were twelve, do you remember in childhood anytimes you were in hospital or clinics or dentists or places that were paid for by the military that your dad worked for?</i><br />
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C: No.<br />
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<i>E: So you weren’t a sickly child.</i><br />
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C: No, not at all.<br />
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<i>E: We still haven’t grappled with the military intelligence connections.There must be something going on there, or maybe not. Your dad happened to do that, and then you happened to have paranormal abilities, and then you happened to have alien encounters. But I tend not to believe in coincidences.</i><br />
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C: Well, there are a lot of people who were in the military, but I think they’re always looking for people who have those skills.<br />
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<i>E: Your dad didn’t have those skills?</i><br />
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C: No, he was not of that bent whatsoever. That definitely comes from my mother’s side of the family.<br />
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<i>E: Then what about the cheek thing? Was something implanted?</i><br />
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C: You know, for a long time I really did think there was. I remember for weeks after that experience feeling my cheek and trying to find a lump in it. Right after, there was a lump in it.<br />
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<i>E: But the pain you feel in your head when you get close to that...</i><br />
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C: It’s always located in one hemisphere. It goes from the top of the head in a straight line pattern to the temple all the way back, then under the jaw -- all the left side.<br />
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<i>E: The cube only came once.</i><br />
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C: The cube only came once and that was in that dark space with just me. I totally knew that I was having another dream and these things entered from stage left.I pushed myself to wake up, and there it was, standing right outside my home, quivering. It was in some sense like dealing with a child with gooey, happy emanations; it wasn’t really like dealing with a totally rational being, but it was powerful, just limited in scope. I kind of waver because it really, really affected me in that it was intimidating the way it just sort of marched into my reality and in and of itself crossed all kinds of boundaries -- boundaries of asleep and awake, boundaries of 3-dimensional reality. So I was kind of awed by it, and that was its power of seduction: the ability to awe. I almost fell for that one in a sense.<br />
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There was another experience of very tall, green-blue wavy forms, about 20 feet tall and eight to ten feet wide. They didn’t come alone like the other ones; they come in groups or pairs. They’ve been around a dozen times.<br />
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<i>E: Does it seem connected to any part of yourself? Your stomach, abdomen, sexual organs, larynx? I’m thinking of the chakras. Are these beings connected to certain energy sources in us that are particularly active?</i><br />
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C: Definitely when the crackling ball is around, I feel it in my abdomen. When that dark box was there, I felt a crampiness in my right side down the torso. When the wavy blue forms were there, I felt very nauseous.<br />
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<i>E: From the motion or just the presence?</i><br />
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C: Their presence was the motion.<br />
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<i>E: What did they want?</i><br />
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C: I don’t know, but they were the ones that I had the greatest bodily revolt against.<br />
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<i>E: Do their approaches have anything to do with the seasons or anything you’ve noticed that is rhythmic in any way?</i><br />
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C: Not that I know of.<br />
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<i>E: So all in all, how many kinds of beings have approached you since adulthood?</i><br />
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C: Dozens.<br />
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<i>E: So you’re just used to it, you live with it?</i><br />
C: Yeah, it’s not like a terrible thing. It really opens me up to the wonders of the universe that more than meet the eye, and I appreciate that about their role.<br />
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<i>E: When you use the term ‘inorganics,’ are you thinking of Castaneda’s portrayal of inorganics?</i><br />
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C: Yes. When I encountered Carlos Castaneda’s writings I ate it up because the fact of the matter was it was the only thing that I’d ever encountered in my life that described the experiences I’d had since I was a kid. It gave me a context, someone to relate to, like wow, I’m not alone, I’m not crazy. I use his terminology because it correlates so well with my experiences.<br />
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<i>E: And what of Castaneda’s idea of having power if you’re going to go into that realm? I mean, you have no desire to command those inorganics the way Don Juan was trying to get Carlos to do --</i><br />
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C: Right.<br />
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<i>E: --but what I’m hearing you say is that if you can consciously recognize them, not allow the fear to catch hold of you, and not submit but actually move toward compassion, there’s no reason to fear these beings.</i><br />
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C: No, there isn’t really a reason to fear the beings, but what he wrote about is something completely different. He talked about flirtations with disaster in my eyes, which was to go into their realm and play their game and try to glean energy from them. So basically you come down to their level. You tease them with the enticement of possible energy from you and meanwhile try to win energy from them.<br />
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<i>E: You don’t recommend that at all.</i><br />
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C: No, I think it’s completely stupid.<br />
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<i>E: And hubristic?</i><br />
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C: Yeah.<br />
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<i>E: What would you recommend to people who are encountering these beings?</i><br />
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C: To say, “I won’t go with you.”<br />
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<i>E: It was really haunting when you had the compassion for that one being and suddenly whoom! it was gone.</i><br />
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C: Right.<br />
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<i>E: I’m just trying to imagine: are positive emotions repulsive to them?</i><br />
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C: Yes, and they don’t have any power that you don’t give them. That’s really, really clear. They need our volition. They cannot do anything without our willingness. So ultimately we have the power of choice. We have to choose. They’ll do their utmost to cloud that issue and seduce us and to get us to betray ourselves, but they need our volition.<br />
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<i>E: Do you think that many of the stories that are bandied about in UFO circles and the mind control circuit of encounters with aliens, grays, reptilians, etc., are “screen memory” scenarios run by these inorganics as they attempt to get us to go with them and give them whatever they want?</i><br />
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C: Yes, I really do. I was so surprised by how Whitley Strieber’s book said, “Well, definitely you’re dealing with a real phenomenon because of the absolute consistency of the stories of these people who have all of these wildly divergent backgrounds all across the globe and yet basically describe almost the exact same story.” What struck me when I read that was, no, that’s absolutely wrong. What that consistency describes is not a real phenomenon but a tape being played because with all of these different circumstances and different backgrounds and experiences, people would have different experiences, not exactly the same one! Since they’re all having exactly the same one, there’s sort of a conspiracy of consistency amongst them. When I read his book and said, “Wow, this is the exact same experience that I had,” and yet I had such a different outcome, I realized that they create screen memories. I didn’t get taken away to “the ship” because of the one thing that I did differently. Now, there may be other people like me who have had a different outcome, but I haven’t heard of them yet. However, all people have the potential to have that different outcome: to break through the delusion that is being perpetrated upon them.<br />
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<i>E: These beings sound parasitic.</i><br />
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C: Yes, they’re very parasitic.<br />
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<i>E: And it sounds as though they can follow you throughout your life.</i><br />
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C: Yes.<br />
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<i>E: One other hypothesis that floats around is of course military involvement. Often, people’s memories fix on military personnel, uniforms, operating tables, deep underground bases. Can these inorganics possibly see our culture well enough to decide upon a certain tape to run that would work on a variety of people as a cover?</i><br />
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C: Yes.<br />
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<i>E: Would any of our people in authority be in communication with these beings and be interested in them? Could there be something behind the rumor that some of the technology we now have is alien technology?</i><br />
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C: Well, that’s asking me to speculate on a lot. I’d really rather speak from my experience than speculate. My experience of what our government is capable of and what they’re willing to keep secret and what they’re willing to pursue in order to obtain power, is beyond question. That they could make some sort of associations with other beings -- why not? It’s not at all outside the realm of their capabilities or doings, especially since it’s pretty well known that they have recruited a lot of people with paranormal abilities, and people with paranormal abilities are going to be having contact with these kinds of beings. And so it would have come to their attention, yes, the fact that these kinds of creatures are around, the fact that they are having a large enough impact on society to create a mass phenomenon -- the UFO industry and all that. Yes, it would definitely have come to their attention. How they could form an association with them without willing accomplices who have considerable paranormal training, I don’t know. They would need those accomplices. Beyond that, I can’t really say.<br />
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<i>E: Because these beings seem very intelligent, lacking feeling, perhaps even self-reflection, but intelligent in a cold sort of way --</i><br />
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C: Exactly.<br />
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<i>E: --so they might have other things they know in a bartering situation with power.I’m thinking of people who realize they exist and want something from them and so cut a deal to feed them certain people. Is that a possibility?</i><br />
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C: When you’re in conversation with them, so to speak, it’s completely elementary, without the finer, subtler concepts we describe with language. Those nuances of communication are not available to them. So their ability to impart information as far as discrete data that would be useful would be extremely unlikely.<br />
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<i>E: What is their intelligence, then?</i><br />
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C: Their intelligence is the intelligence of the scheming and conniving predator.<br />
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<i>E: Moving appetites?</i><br />
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C: Yes. That’s the one thing that’s pretty clear about them: their appetites are enormous and everything that they do as far as charm and seduction is intended to hide that appetite and keep it behind the veil. However, communication with them is on the level of honesty. It’s very hard for them to be duplicitous because they have no choice, it’s the only way they can talk to you. That’s why they prefer to interact through dreams and semi-consciousness where they can really control the situation and feed you what they want you to see and not what they don’t.<br />
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<i>E: In esoteric language, our lowest body is the physical body. It sounds like their lowest body would be perhaps an etheric or astral body. They don’t have a physical body?</i><br />
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C: No.<br />
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<i>E: So their food is psychic, and the emotional field is certainly the easiest to graze from. However, they were drawn to a psychic child. Is that typical? Are they drawn to psychic people because there’s more to eat there?</i><br />
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C: I think they’re drawn to psychic people because the channel’s more open and the food is more accessible. The portal is farther and wider open for them to jump through.<br />
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E<i>: So when you saw a ball of light or cube or sheets of kelp, those were pictures you made of what they looked like? Were those human perceptions, what we make them look like because that’s the only way we can conceive of them?</i><br />
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C: I don’t know what the difference would be. We make them look like what they do look like to us. That’s how we perceive them.<br />
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<i>E: And you saw four varieties?</i><br />
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C: Yes, four varieties. But there’s one I haven’t seen that really directly tried to use my fear, and that one was like the disembodiment of Dracula, what a vampire would feel like.<br />
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<i>E: In the sleep-waking state?</i><br />
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C: In the sleep-waking state in that I had not fallen completely asleep and fully woke up.<br />
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<i>E: Do you think that these beings can munch people so thoroughly that they become part of them?</i><br />
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C: Oh, definitely.<br />
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<i>E: Which means that people’s humanity is curtailed by these beings?</i><br />
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C: Yes.<br />
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<i>E: So in other words there are people walking around who look human but probably are not that human anymore.</i><br />
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C: Yes, in that they’re acting on the motivations and intent of these appetites.<br />
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<i>E: Would these be powerful people?</i><br />
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C: They could be.<br />
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<i>E: Predatory people, criminals?</i><br />
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C: Oh, yeah.<br />
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<i>E: Do certain drugs give access to these beings?</i><br />
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C: Possibly, but I can’t really answer. You talk about Castaneda whose experiences are really associated with drugs, and I never had those experiences while imbibing consciousness-expanding drugs. Never.<br />
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<i>E: So when you’ve taken psychedelics, they did not intensify or heighten the connection with these beings?</i><br />
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C: No.In fact, I took those substances with the intention of trying to improve some kind of connection.<br />
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<i>E: Interesting. Do you think the Castaneda books are legitimate?</i><br />
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C: I think they’re a mix of truth and fiction and it’s really hard to distinguish what’s what.<br />
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<i>E: Anything else you want to say about your experiences?</i><br />
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C: I just remember as a child when I would experience my paranormal abilities, there was a tremendous freedom associated with them. Since the experiences when I was twelve, they’ve been associated with pain. That freedom is gone and has never returned, especially the sense of liberation I experienced as a child.<br />
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<i>E: That’s sad.</i><br />
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C: Yes, very sad. One of the other things that happens is when I am getting close to certain experiences or abilities again, I sometimes experience this really intense, high-pitched ringing in my ears that comes on like a pulse.<br />
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<i>E: Is there a relationship between the stomach and these beings? A lot of people have stomach pains associated with alien encounters.</i><br />
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C: That’s funny because I got ulcers as a child right around that time. For along time, I had a pretty severe gastrointestinal disorder. I quit using all drugs and it healed.<br />
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<i>E: Did you ever experience a point of entry?</i><br />
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C: No. I always saw the being beside me, and the only contact was the time I was connected by my forehead. But regarding people being inhabited by these beings,there is a very real extent to which they can be controlled by them.People can be eaten out by these beings to the extent -- and this is something that seems very real to me -- that they would be very easily controlled by others.I distinctly see the possibility of those creatures eating your will.Where they try to interact the most is right down here. [Gestures to solar plexus.]<br />
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<i>E: Even in our language, the area of the stomach and solar plexus has something to do with the will: You have no guts. Whenever fear strikes, martial arts teaches that you should deepen your breathing and pull in energy two fingers below your navel to counteract it.</i><br />
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C: Tighten it up.<br />
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<i>E: If scientists and people with psychic powers have discovered this, they could feasibly use it to control others.</i><br />
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C: You mean they might find ways to sic these creatures on you?<br />
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<i>E: Yes. And through sex -- there are beings that can enter through illicit sex. Have you ever experienced that?</i><br />
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C: Something really transformed in me when I was raped. It was a huge wound and at that moment I was in such a state of terror and anguish, I really thought I was being murdered. I was too young to understand what was going on and was wide open. It was not long after being molested and raped that these other experiences started happening. Previous to that, all of my psychic experiences had been positive; after that, they were radically negative.<br />
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<i>E: The use of fear, the increasing abuse of children... So George Bush said,“I like little boys.” What gave them their ability to be able to sense some body in the room?</i><br />
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C: Oh no, I don’t think they sensed it. They had an adept in their pay or control who was monitoring the situation for them. The adept wasn’t even necessarily even there. It was a report that was relayed to them as one of their security screens. It wasn’t that someone in the room noticed; what they got was a security alert.<br />
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<i>E: I can see how these beings might be used by so-called satanists who still perform old rituals formulated to draw them and set up power relationships with them for the sake of establishing more power in this reality.</i><br />
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C: When you talk about stuff like that, I always think of those things as the monkey’s paw magic. Do you know what I mean by that?<br />
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<i>E: No.</i><br />
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C: It always costs you more than you gain. That’s why it’s delusional and egoistic.Unless these things are of service to the greater good of human kind and spirit in general, then they will always cost more than is gained. That’s the essential mistake that egoistic hubris always leads to -- you know, the“Somehow, I will cheat that game, and I’ll be able to gain more than I give up.” It never works that way.<br />
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<i>E: Do you think these creatures are limited to this realm?</i><br />
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C: There are definitely beings I have encountered that are interplanetary and have nothing to do with these childish games --<br />
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<i>E: That these little appetites running around are playing?</i><br />
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C: Yeah, I think that those entities are strictly terrestrial.<br />
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<i>E: So what were the others like?</i><br />
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C: Those beings were much more benevolent.<br />
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<i>E: Did you see them or feel them?</i><br />
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C: Both. There was one that looked like a rolling cloud of gold, with gold dust spiraling over and over itself. It had an intense presence of good and light.<br />
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<i>E: This was when you were a child?</i><br />
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C: No, it was much later, when I was an adult. It was able to understand more nuances of language and thought, and its reply to me about some of my questions was, “I have no interest in those childhood games. I’m not here on that level.I’m just here to let you know that this -- is powerful and available and is here for good.”<br />
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<i>E: What other beings did you see that are beneficent?</i><br />
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C: Another one came in sort of a cloud of gold, but more of a silvery gold. A lot of times when I’m looking at things like this, I’m looking at something in front of me and also through a wall, so to speak. These beings are enormous,and are touching fellows of their own, a group all joined together. You can’t actually witness one without seeing the others. Once, I was actually physically bearing witness to someone about these beings -- that they actually exist, are really here and part of our lives affecting us for good --when the channel opened up in me and it said, “Hello,” flooding me with joy.<br />
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<i>E: So different from the appetites scavenging for people to munch?</i><br />
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C: I just look at it as the power of selection operating on the spiritual level.It’s asking us to evolve by being conscious and present on those levels as well. The people who can’t pull it together to say no to these little appetites will be consumed, whereas the ones who do pull it together will be able to make connections with higher being. It’s about evolution; there’s no malice in the appetites whatsoever.<br />
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<i>E: Because of the fear quotient around abductions and encounters, and given how they are generally dealt with in a knee-jerk way as marginal “woo-woo”entertainment, reasonable discourse is lacking. Will knowing about it and treating it reasonably help people to realize yes, these invisible entities do exist and I may encounter them, I may have encountered them, but I can take power over them?</i><br />
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C: That’s right. Bringing things into the light and not just leaving them in the shadows of knee-jerk religious moralizing will help. These are elemental forces of the universe, of nature. I don’t see why their existence should be considered so unrealistic. Clearly, people who have a high level of understanding in physics know that there is a huge realm of inter-dimensional reality all around us at all times. It’s all there. Now, why wouldn’t there be creatures that actually live in those dimensions? That we don’t understand how they assemble their being is similar to how we don’t really fully understand how we assemble our own being here in this three-dimensional reality that we don’t even fully understand. It’s not really that great of a stretch of the imagination.It makes a lot of sense. Yes, having a dialogue, bringing more of the vast,wondrous, and mysterious universe into discussion -- great! There’s no harm in that. And there’s nothing moral about it, either. There’s no moralizing that this is a sin or demonic in any sense.<br />
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</div>ConspiraZine!http://www.blogger.com/profile/01517935464511953712noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-820436948915789019.post-12475566006185664832010-06-27T23:09:00.000-07:002010-06-30T00:01:01.717-07:00Review and Analysis of the Matrix<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhWcUevmbHVV5c12w4sG2rf6Jjaj4PaW8s9FDH8MjJ7ToiqPQGFX02NctQWcY5WoN6u-XQARJYbYXHwedgbuElMtz3VajnfhngpBHjq2qBa8DpG2xTQ74W_c03eXjjmE4CE8wNAk_vh8nE/s1600/mkZineLogoBlk.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhWcUevmbHVV5c12w4sG2rf6Jjaj4PaW8s9FDH8MjJ7ToiqPQGFX02NctQWcY5WoN6u-XQARJYbYXHwedgbuElMtz3VajnfhngpBHjq2qBa8DpG2xTQ74W_c03eXjjmE4CE8wNAk_vh8nE/s320/mkZineLogoBlk.jpg" /></a></div><i>Review By Columbia Jones</i><br />
<i>and featured in the Winter 2004 Edition of MKzine</i><br />
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The Wachowski Brothers, interestingly, have only done one other film, Bound, in 1996. Little else is known about them, except that they have been working together for 30 years. <br />
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In the movie The Matrix, Reeves is dressed in a black trench coat while firing two automatic pistols and engaged in an assault on a SWAT Team, reminiscent of the Colorado schoolyard shootings. His partner carries a duffel bag with bombs init, again a striking similarity with the Columbine High School tragedy in Colorado. The Matrix mimics violent video games. It programs kids by simulating an LSD trip while brutalizing them with violent imagery. The movie links mass murder of policemen to a notion of freedom-fighting. Take your kid to see this film and he is programmed. Period. He will have his MKULTRA marching orders. <br />
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Michael A.Hoffman II <br />
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<b>Morpheus</b>: Where is Neo now?<br />
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<b>Link</b>: Oh, he’s doing the Superman thing.<br />
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From <i>Matrix Reloaded</i><br />
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There are all sorts of coincidences these days, have you noticed? Like the comic book Adventures of Superman #596 arriving on the stands the day after 9/11/01 to reveal its own twin Luther Towers in smoking ruin. But then Superman has always been steeped in coincidence.Take the names of the stars who’ve played Superman: <br />
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First, there was George Reeves (1914-1959) who played Superman in the 1951 film “Superman and the Mole Men” about a subterranean race; then did the television series from 1952 to 1958, dying in real life the year after, either of murder or suicide, traumatizing the first television generation of children who, like our children, couldn’t quite separate the star from the role. Then there was Steve Reeves (1926-2000). He never played Superman per se but was Mr.America in 1947, then played Hercules in 1959, the year George Reeves died. Steve Reeves managed to live happily until old age. Next was Christopher Reeve, born the year George began the Superman television series. He made four Superman films, the last one in 1987. Memorial Day weekend eight years later his thoroughbred Eastern Express threw him and shattered his C1-C2 vertebrae, leaving him at 42 almost completely paralyzed. Since then, this wheelchair Reeve has been a key spokesman for controversial stem cell research, pushing for stem cells to be taken from living embryos left over from fertility treatments. (Frankenstein meets Superman?) And now here is Keanu Reeves in the futuristic allegory known as The Matrix trilogy. Born in Beirut when Christopher Reeve was only twelve, this Reeves is our first mixed-race Superman (his father is Chinese-Hawaiian, his mother English). <br />
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So what is it about the word "reeve" that makes for Hollywood’s Superman, or as Morpheus has re-christened him,“the one”? Reeve is an old nautical term meaning to pass through, thread or tie, like a rope through a block and tackle (Oxford English Dictionary). Its secondary meaning is agricultural and means to separate wheat from chaff. So a reeve is someone whose role is to bring others through something in a process that sifts one thing from another. (By the way, the two earliest Supermen were not reeves but an alyn and a collier. Kirk Alyn did two 15-part serials for Paramount, and Bud Collyer did Superman on radio, both in the 1940s. Alyn means to anoint and is connected to the word alien,and a collier is a coal miner who perhaps digs for cole, an ancient word referring to magic or the occult.)<br />
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Is Keanu Reeves the next Matrix-style Superman in a tradition of reeves? If so, his character Neo Anderson --the new son of man, neo meaning “new” and andros “man” -- has been given the task of reeving the young through a very dark aperture, indeed, when religious programming has all but been exhausted and slated to be replaced by computer programming and alien entities that delight in devouring our human life force. As Wes Thomas, moderator of a mind control message board, said in an e-mail, “Matrix Reloaded is about competing mind control operations: religious controllers vs. programmers who have replaced priests in our current culture as the arbiters of reality.” I would go one step further and say that Jesuits and Freemasons now work together for the same grand enter-prize, their ethos being, "whatever works," or perhaps Aleister Crowley’s more finely phrased, "Do what thou wiltshall be the whole of the law."<br />
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What a “coincidence” that The Matrix came out in early April 1999 and the “trench coat mafia” baptized our youths in blood at Columbine High School on April 20, Hitler’s birthday -- just about as“coincidental” as Adventures of Superman #596 coming out the day after the Twin Towers inferno. Michael A. Hoffman II does a little etymology of his own on the name Columbine: “The occult name for America is Columbia [Ed.: District of Columbia]. A bine, as anyone who has worked on a haying crew on a farm knows, is a cutting tool. Columbine literally signifies the cutting of America. It’s a Jack the Ripper mutilation process and it will take more than being angry or upset to stop this madness.” (“The Mirror World of Columbine,” <a href="http://www.hoffman-info.com/columbine.html">http://www.hoffman-info.com/columbine.html</a>) Yes, signs and wonders attend these days of millennial crossover, but why do I sense they are the work of men and not gods, and that youth is their target?<br />
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Because of the presence of a Reeve and the redolence of twilight language*, Matrix Reloaded definitely bears the Freemason/ Jesuit imprimatur intent upon imprinting the masses one more time. First, there is the hodge-podge of religion, oracles, and occult lore: the cheesy Asian-Catholic-Gothic feudalistic backdrop that we have grown accustomed to seeing in apocalyptic films (Blade Runner, Dark City, DemolitionMan, etc.); Neo as Jesuit warrior-priest programmed for Crouching Tiger martial arts; Morpheus as a black Greek god of dreams, and Trinity the Triple Goddess -- maiden, mother and crone/ waxing, full and waning moon. The esoterica thickens with the introduction of the old Merovingian “program” **that has imprisoned the Asian Key maker, and the Merovingian’s Magdalen-like wife Persephone who betrays her husband with a kiss from the new son of man. Whew, what a mish-mash of religions! And lest you think that the Merovingian-Magdalen reference, and the “Mark III, No. 11” (Mark 3:11)on the hull of the Nebuchadnesser (“Wheneverthe unclean spirits saw him, they fell down before him and shouted,‘You are the Son of God!’”), and Neo’s “resurrection” of Trinity are intended to throw a bit of Christianity into the Buddhist-Jesuit-Greek-Babylonian-Merovingian mix, think again. But that’s the point, isn’t it? Once religious programming has lost its spin, the magister ludis can just take a few morsels that still have some subliminal spin on them, throw them in together, and make a nice, big one-world religion for those like Morpheus who need a little more than mere Matrix programming.<br />
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Side-by-side with the Jesuit religious-mythic programming is the more worldly Masonic programming, represented by the benign fatherly Councillor Dillard, across between Yale Skull & Bones and Roman patron; and the Architect, good old Freemasonic GAOTU (Great Architect of the Universe) himself, another white-haired Skull & Bones Aryan type sitting like a great Roman god in the sky, his video screens multiplied like a bee’s eye as they cynically (and pruriently) scan the lives of those he has programmed. The Architect is the mouthpiece of the esoteric elite who see and program the future, whereas the black Oracle of the past can only see. The reeve’s message is that the top of the pyramid will always be inhabited by a few white Skull and Bones-types who will make all the pronouncements, while the rest of us humble types--Third World refugees living in our humble abodes in subterranean hive-like cities like Zion, “free” of the Matrix -- will fill lesser posts in the Empire.While our top dogs sit in their ivory towers devising our programmed future, we will be laying offerings at the latest son of man’s god like feet or gyrating in mindless disco orgiastic pleasure in Dante’s lusty Inferno. Meanwhile, the new son of man and his three-fold Isis will be consummating a new trinity upstairs. <br />
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And what might this new Masonic/ Jesuit trinity be? Perhaps the economic, political, and cultural New World Order packaged as a dark and dreary machinated existence in either hive-like Zions or tin cans like the Nebuchadnezzer, Vigilant, and Logos that sail electromagnetic seas while being assailed by robotic insectoid sentinels gone mad. How far we have fallen since Clark Kent changed clothes in that Metropolis phone booth! The Matrix primes us for just how far afield the technological future has strayed from innocence by directing us briefly to Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland (published in 1865) and then to The Wizard of Oz (published in 1939). Aptly enough, it is Cypher the betrayer who utters the bone-crushing trigger, "Grab your seat, Dorothy, Kansas is about to go bye-bye." Those of us who are aware of military mind control recognize Wizard of Oz programming when we hear it, cypher or not. -- By the way, both Lewis Carroll (Charles Lutwidge Dodgson) and Frank Baum were involved in occult esoterics.<br />
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So what is Neo reeving the young into? The bioports in his head and kundalini spinal column bespeak the advent of a conjunction between man and machine, certainly nothing for us drones to look forward to, unless we have been programmed to see the Nietzschean MK-Ultra Superman as “the one.” The Architect says to our youths, “Outer life will be tough both inside and outside of the Matrix. It’s all programming -- all the religion stuff, the hero stuff, the rebel stuff -- for there is no real freedom except that which we allow you. But you will still have virtual reality and Alice in Wonderland drugs to get your kicks from.” What lovely prognostication.<br />
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One particularly interesting character in both films is Mr. Smith. A three-piece-suit kind of program, Mr. Smith puts a face on the machine consciousness that is our greatest enemy, greater even than Skull and Bones or Jesuit programmers. For Mr. Smith does not just program us; he takes our soul. By assaulting the heart of his prey Aztec-style, he subsumes what makes us human and multiplies himself xerox-wise. In other words, Mr. Smith’s are Legion, demonic, and their three-piece-suit visages indicate that they have something to do with the corporate geist that we are just beginning to recogize as the soul-eater that eats us from the inside out. Mr. Smith and the bioports are the scariest news that the reeve brings us. Neo squares off against Legion, but is totally sold on his bioports. Too bad.<br />
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The saddest scene is when Neo finally gets the key from the Keymaker, opens the door to illumination, and encounters -- o joy -- the Great Masonic Architect whose satellite eyes read our akashic records*** like yesterday’s newspaper. Contrary to what Matrix Reloaded would have us believe, the Illuminated One is a program, too -- an Illuminati program running like a B-grade movie from the past, as passé as the Merovingian program it makes fun of. We cheer when Neo sees through this Yale wind bag and chooses the door that leads to individual love for Trinity instead of species love, but at the same time we know that his victory over GAOTU’s programming is pyrrhic -- there is, after all, that bioport in his head -- and that we ourselves were probably programmed by the Wachowski Brothers to cheer at just that moment. The Architect has indeed implanted a devious thought in our brains: Has media sleight-of-hand made us into a Zion riff raff who only think we can be free because we have been programmed to think it? Are we all Morpheus who over simplifies solutions and thinks with outworn religious and mythical sentiments instead ofwith theportions of our brains that aren’t yet programmed? <br />
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The happiest scene and one that will be truly memorable for me is when Neo counters the Aztec rite of corporate cloning and reaches into Trinity with his hand of light -- we all have one, I have seen mine -- to redeem and resurrect her. At that moment, I reclaim the symbol that Trinity is and choose to see her as the three-fold human being -- head, heart, and hands/ thinking, feeling, and willing -- and see Neo as the reeve, bioports or not, who shows us the way to disbelieve our masters’ programs and reclaim our own redemptive love. In this scene, Neo becomes the new man.<br />
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Is it all programming? Not yet. But youths are fragile and permeable without the advantage of hard-won life experience. Whether we like it or not, another reeve has spoken the language of twilight to our youths about the future that our Matrix masters have in mind for us. If we can just learn that language and make it conscious, it will have no power over us.Start talking to youths. Hang out once a week at an espresso shop where thoughtful youths like to congregate. Sit with them on a bench or the pavement, drink espresso, and talk. They love it, and so will you. Neo, reaching into the heart. The conscious war against machines, Jesuit mind programmers, and GAOTU’s has just begun.<br />
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* As I said in the previous MKzine, “In old occult lore, the language we are looking for is called ‘twilight language.’ Twilight language includes the intentional use of language and images so as to lock on to a twin correspondence in the subliminal mind. The ability to achieve such correspondences via the mass media is a branch of ritual magic whose aim is public mind control.”<br />
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** Agnostic reference to the Merovingians (Germanic Franks) who reigned in Gaul (France and southern Germany) from the 5th to the 8th centuries C.E.Unde rClovis I (481-511), the Franks converted to Roman Christianity, initiating the Holy Roman Empire. Clovis and the Franks bound themselves to the Roman Church in perpetuity. Merovingian rulers were long-haired priest-kings and said to be occult adepts.<br />
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*** Akashic Record or Chronicle (Ah-KAH-shik) Something like a cosmic videotape library, a vast record of impressions recorded in the Akasha, containing the annals of all human deeds, thoughts, and events in history, and accessible for instant replay depending on the possession of special faculties (namely, clairvoyance) by the one who consults it...As to what qualifies anyone to read the Akashic Record, this is anybody’s guess --but we may assume that the literacy must be acquired somehow, just as it must be for ordinary reading... [D]istorted reflections on the astral plane [are] like reading the New York Times under water. Lacking direct access to the Record, some of us have resorted to transcripts. - John Lash, The Seeker’s Handbook: The Complete Guide to Spiritual Pathfinding (New York: Harmony Books, 1990)ConspiraZine!http://www.blogger.com/profile/01517935464511953712noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-820436948915789019.post-23750478675636592112010-06-13T21:33:00.000-07:002010-06-14T21:28:40.517-07:00The“Non-Technique” of Marlene Bennett<a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh2uF8fmVrElk5lnA1mBSaTci87RBz1bw51ACh28acTWgJ54QDubh9gDPzBLpze4UBo0OgZOcwFZ0Cl-DPFUBVJOj3cdx1XXtIYx9UFzFSpkn5QHvu3x7SAew8SWiIKxZ4LOYS1ummgAS4/s1600/mkZineLogoBlk.jpg"><img style="float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; cursor: pointer; width: 320px; height: 55px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh2uF8fmVrElk5lnA1mBSaTci87RBz1bw51ACh28acTWgJ54QDubh9gDPzBLpze4UBo0OgZOcwFZ0Cl-DPFUBVJOj3cdx1XXtIYx9UFzFSpkn5QHvu3x7SAew8SWiIKxZ4LOYS1ummgAS4/s320/mkZineLogoBlk.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5482852063369151842" border="0" /></a><br />Interview by Elana Freeland and featured in the Spring 2004 edition of MKzine<br /><p style="text-align: center;" class="MsoNormal" align="center"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';font-size:14pt;color:black;" ><span style="font-weight: bold;">March 12, 2004</span><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >Rather than expound on theory, Marlene Bennett (M) asked an ex-client (B) who had undergone severe trauma-based mind control if she would be willing to talk about what her experience of therapy had been like. Insisting on anonymity, “B”was entirely candid about how much she gained from Bennett’s“non-technique.”<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></i></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></i></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>Would you call what the two of you did “deprogramming”?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >M:<span> </span>I call it therapy or healing from trauma.Deprogramming was part of it.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>How would you define deprogramming, and how does it differ from other types of therapy?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoBodyText">M:<span> </span>For me,deprogramming is trying to turn around anything that was forced as away to prevent a person from getting in touch with their past or remembering their own memories.</p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>So it could be ritual abuse, satanic ritual abuse, government military mind control programming -- all of which have in common the intention to make a person not remember, as well as send the person’s mind in a direction other than what they might have chosen --in other words, to take their freedom from them. Does that sound right?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >M:<span> </span>I would agree with that. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>So deprogramming seems to have to do with unlocking and disengaging someone’s intent from another person? “B,”how do you see deprogramming and programming?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >B:<span> </span>Programming is all about having something done to you, so it’s dehumanizing in its very nature. It’s about things being done to you and basically breaking you down to the point that you lose touch with that sense of your core self -- it just kind of breaks it off.Deprogramming is not the word I would use because I feel like my whole feeling has really been about letting go of people doing to me and learning to do for myself. Deprogramming is sort of like having the safety and support to know my own story in a safe environment. So it’s more about unfolding who I really am and letting the truth out. Just hearing about people deprogramming other people sounds like programming to me. <i>[Laughs]</i> It’s sort of a contradictory term because the last thing I needed was more being done to me. Plenty had been done to me of a psychological nature already. I wanted permission to be who I was and let my truth come out and have it honored, whether that was around the programming or any other aspect of what was happening for me in my healing. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>Perhaps deprogramming might be compared to disengaging a clutch or a mechanical process of some sort, so that healing can begin to take hold. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoBodyText">B:<span> </span>I see my process more like a giant ball of yarn that is completely tangled in a big knot.Healing was more about untangling threads that prevented me from getting more freedom of movement within, internally, so that deprogramming and healing didn’t necessarily come one before the other. It was a more circular thing whose order was internally driven. What truth did I need to know at one point in time to allow me to move ahead and do what I could in my life today?The inner process was already inside of me and wasn’t driven from the outside. </p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>Perhaps a therapist is like a midwife delivering a baby: the woman delivers the baby, the midwife is there to help the process. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >B:<span> </span>Yeah, remind her of things to do -- breathe,that kind of thing. But the direction -- since it’s really all about reclaiming yourself -- has to come from within, and what a relief to discover that thereis a direction in there. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>What is your history, “B”? What have you been through? <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >B:<span> </span>Well, I definitely was involved in government programming from about age two through at least eighteen. I never got to totally clear on the dates. As far as how the programming was defined, let’s say I consider myself a military vet without benefits. And of course dysfunctional <o:p></o:p>families are the kind of places where people [ideal for that sort of programming] are drawn from, so I had my own personal history, as well. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>Was your family military?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >B:<span> </span>Not on the surface, at least, but there are military connections.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>Could your family be described as a multi generational incest family?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >B:<span> </span>Yeah, I think that would work. <i>[Laughs]</i><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>What about satanic ritual abuse?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >B:<span> </span>Not so much. I think there’s a little bit,but it was almost the way some people are Christians and go to church only on Easter. So yeah, I was baptized in the blood, but it wasn’t a big part of my family. It was there in the history and so of course multiplicity was in the history. Certainly, there was contact with the military which allows for people to be screened for, then to be followed and tracked. I think that’s how my dad got connected for his stint. He went to college on the GI bill, so I imagine he was followed from that point on. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>Because of his multiplicity?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >B:<span> </span>Yeah, absolutely. Boot camp is programming,right? So it’s a great place to scan people.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>And the multiplicity is useful for what reason?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >B:<span> </span>All sorts of things. It’s about credibility.I also think that a lot of people who are into that stuff -- it’s their own private addiction. Programming is not necessarily that efficient. It takes an incredible amount of energy to program someone to that degree, so they must begetting off on it. They pretend that, ‘Oh, it’s spy games, but it's really them jerking themselves off, in my opinion. It’s not an efficient way to do things, there’s much better ways, but this country isn’t about that.It’s power-hungry and addicted to power. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>So your programming took place between two and eighteen. What happened when you were eighteen?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >B:<span> </span>Eventually, you become harder to control.You’re not at home and people slip away. You leave the program eventually and there’s newer, younger blood, and new people come in to do the programming --there’s a constant turnover. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>But eighteen is young to let someone slip away.<span> </span><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >B:<span> </span>I actually know numerous people who around that time got out.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>What years are we talking about? <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >B:<span> </span>For me, that would have been 1962 through1978 or 1980. There might have been a little stuff after that point,but I think it got harder to get hold of me.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>And they let you slip away?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >B:<span> </span>Yeah. People can force you to do things,obviously -- I mean, that’s what this whole thing is about -- and it takes an incredible amount of energy to continue that, and it gets harder and harder.The same thing that made me a good candidate for programming made it easy for me to break away, because I’m an incredibly strong person with an incredibly strong life force. And it’s dangerous to be involved with those folks! <i>[Laughs]</i>So once I had a way to get away --<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>Did you get away through marriage?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >B:<span> </span>No. I left home and quit responding to calls because usually people contact you through calls. Then the programming started to come undone. It’s not like I knew consciously that I was being contacted,but the parts of me that were being contacted didn’t respond. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>Why do you think they weren’t responding? <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >B:<span> </span>Because we really didn’t want to die, and that’s been my truth my whole life. However effective the programming was, I didn’t hate myself as much as people intended for me to, and that’s why it’s such an inefficient way of doing things to begin with. It eventually comes unraveled. It’s really egotistical of the people involved to think that they can prevent everybody from telling their story the whole time. People are always talking their truth one way or another. Like my mom at the dinner table!She always used to tell all about how things were all dysfunctional and messed up in our home, but she would tell it in a dissociated way. Isn’t it interesting how that little girl came in and threw dirt in Dad’s work shed? She must be mad at her parents’ -- that kind of thing, when it’s all about Dad being at it again. She’s telling the truth at the dinner table in her own way;it never got snuffed out of her. Some things can’t be snuffed. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>Are you in touch with your parents?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >B:<span> </span>I wasn’t in contact with them for many years,and now I am again. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>How is that?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >B:<span> </span>It’s fine. They’re old now, in their seventies. It’s very grounding and keeps me in today. It’s just useful for me to [be in contact]. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>And with your siblings? Were they programmed?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >B:<span> </span>Not as much, but yeah there was some stuff that happened with them, so it’s uncomfortable, like the family history which wasn’t so... sweet. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>Have you come out to your siblings about your process? <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >B:<span> </span>Not in any big way. Basically, what I’ve said to them is, ‘If you want to know, all you have to do is look inside,’and that’s where I’ve left it. With my parents, if they didn’t have compassion and real caring when I was a little girl, I know now it’s not going to happen in this <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >lifetime.I’ve seen healing on their paths, it’s just different from mine. My sister too has healing in her religion, but it doesn’t involve knowing her story.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>Can you have a genuine religious life without being genuine?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >B:<span> </span>I think you can be genuine in the present, in the moment, to whatever ability -- I mean, we all have our limitations,so yeah, I think so. There’s ways that programming or any kind of trauma that hasn’t been dealt with leaves personal blind spots. Everybody has blind spots,it’s just a matter of degree. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>And your other sibling is a brother?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >B:<span> </span>I have two younger brothers.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>And how are they?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >B:<span> </span>They’re... I don’t know, they felt like they were part of a whole other family. I don’t know how involved they were in the stuff going on at home. Of course, you’re taught to perpetrate when your dad does, so in that sense... Whether they were taken out to be programmed,I don’t think so.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>Why do you think you were chosen over the others for military programming?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >B:<span> </span>Probably because I’m female, and because of my personality profile. [Programming is] very scientific. I mean, they screen people in the military. There’s all sorts of data involved. If you’ve been tortured continuously for the last however many years, people are keeping track of it, so it’s a pretty well-known process. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>Did your father prepare you?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >B:<span> </span>I wouldn’t say that what he did was to prepare me. I think he’s a perp.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>Did he abuse your sister, too?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >B:<span> </span>Absolutely. He also got victims in exchange.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>He likes children?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >B:<span> </span>No, he actually likes killing women, but he’ll never get caught because he has government connections. I think there are many people like him. They have habits, and then they get documented,and then you’re part of the family. <i>[Laughs]</i><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>Do you think he was trained by your paternal grandfather?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >B:<span> </span>Oh gosh, I’m not entirely sure about this part of the story. I think there was some cult stuff in the family,probably from my paternal grandmother’s family. But because of when he grew up,he was sent away from home to work at a farm somewhere when he was five, and I know some shit went down then...<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>And your mother?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >B:<span> </span>She had a lot of sexual abuse in her home.She’s not a multiple, but she didn’t have any choices. My dad was really a very scary person, so she just stayed under water the whole time. He doesn’t have that internal conflict.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>Was their marriage set up?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >B:<span> </span>They met at college. He was on the GI bill --I’m sure he’d already been tagged as somebody useful.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>So the programming you went through from two to eighteen -- do you think the military rented you from your parents,or did they purchase you?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >B:<span> </span>I would say there was a certain amount of extortion: ‘We have pictures, we have this information on you that will get released if you don’t’ -- that kind of thing. Also, of course, I think almost everybody as a child being programmed does a certain amount of maintaining that kind <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >of extortion-type structure by participating sexually with adults.Children are taken to the big functions -- I think extortion is how they keep it under lock.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>And that would answer the people who ask,“How could they have kept such a secret all these years?”<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >B:<span> </span>My answer to that is fear and mass denial,because on some level everybody knows the truth about what’s happening in this country. It’s like part of this country is this really big scary dictatorship,and most everybody knows it on some level. They’re just glad it’s not happening to them and so they keep it down, keep it down by not seeing it. I think it comes out in the fierceness with which certain situations call for scapegoating: ‘Oh, that person’s awful, we’ve got to put their head on the chopping block and execute them. We won’t have any of that in this country.’<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>Like Gary Ridgeway?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >B:<span> </span>Those guys are cult guys gone bad, created for a purpose but then go wild. They’re out killing on their own for their own pleasure, when they’re only supposed to be working for The Man. That’s what I’m saying. Even the sociopaths are not under total control. Maybe it helps to create a climate of fear, but they’re rodeo cowboys off the program, man. <i>[Laughs]</i><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>You are very adept at scoping out an aerial view on how the whole mind control thing works. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >B:<span> </span>It depends on where you meet survivors. If you’re meeting people in a situation where things are still being done to them,they’re not really on their healing path yet or claiming their own power, so it’s hard to see the big picture under those circumstances. But I know people who have a sense of the big picture. But for whatever reason, I don’t understand what’s happening with some people for whom the victim role becomes a lifestyle. They may have good reasons not to go there [childhood memories], so they just stay where they are and do the best they can without letting go of that identity.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>Did you live near big military bases?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >B:<span> </span>Yes, I’ve lived near bases. My dad’s work was affiliated with the military-industrial complex. But where does the government end and the corporate end of the military begin? Also, the mob. They all link together, so when are you dealing with which entity? <i>[Laughs]</i>The programming was definitely on bases.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>You were always moving?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >B:<span> </span>We moved a lot when I was younger, but not later. Then, I was moved around quite a bit in terms of programming,doing jobs or being programmed or both. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>Was yours a typical spy job? Were you programmed for sex, as well?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >B:<span> </span>Mostly violence, killing, but some sex, of course, including sex for my handlers. <i>[Laughs]</i> It’s part of what they can do, they’re so power-hungry. Sexual abuse is a great way to strip away your sense of self-worth, which is also part of the programming. But hey,they get off on it, <o:p></o:p>too --isn’t that just a double bonus? <i>[Laughs]</i><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>Were you programmed for extraordinary memory capacities, too? <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoBodyText">B:<span> </span>I don’t think so. I was involved in violence, a lot of times war crimes. I spent time in Vietnam and Central America, and locally I’d be called out. There was a contact at my high school. I was also used for mob jobs. </p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><span> </span>I think that Vietnam taught them a lot --you know, the dangerous villages and the kids with bombs on them. I think they wanted their own dangerous women and kids <i>[laughs],</i> so there you go. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoBodyText">E:<span> </span>When you were in therapy, how did you deal with all the memories of killing? </p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >B:<span> </span>That took me the longest. I think the hardest thing about it is that I learned to enjoy it by the end. Fortunately, I never got addicted. I was never one of those people who wanted to do it outside because I had a lot of internal conflict, too. How could I deal with the fact that <o:p></o:p>part of me was proud of my skill, and the other part of me really felt that it went against everything inside of me at a tremendously deep level? That was the gist of my [therapeutic] work. That was the big thing that I needed to find some kind of ease with. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>How did you find peace?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >B:<span> </span>[Sighs] I came to accept that I was a human being and that we all come here with potentials. I had another friend who went through a phase where she was fascinated with feral children abandoned and then raised by wolves who would think of themselves as wolves. Thinking about those children and my experience – “our” personalities are so malleable, and there’s something underneath them, too, that can be shaped in so many different ways. I really got actualized in an extremely negative way, in a way that most people don’t experience in this life. That happened, but I also have other potentialsto be actualized. So from this point on, it’s really about choice and what I choose. Those things didn’t feel like choice to me. You really can force someone for a period of time to do things they don’t want to do, that go against their core -- at least if you get them when they’re children.In someways the programmers were inside of me and I kind of had to go outside of my view of what life is in a bigger sense. It’s really about choice, and now I choose to be in this moment.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>When Kathleen Sullivan, in her book, Unshackled, talked about dealing with the killing she had been programmed to do, she realized that the part of her that had done it could be accepted for the skill and courage it had, and incorporated into herself as part of herself. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >B:<span> </span>It’s part of me, it’s me, it’s part of my potential, it’s actually an actualized part of my potential. I have a lot of blood on my hands. In a way, during that time I was a gun that someone chose to fire because they had so dehumanized me that they made me into a weapon. And yet I am a human, and so a human being was there, as well. Given all of that,am I going to go on? Knowing that I have such a strong life force,which why I was perfect for the job, I can put that self to use for me now and say,‘Okay,now I get to choose how I use my skills and talents.’ <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoBodyText">M:<span> </span>It was painful to watch “B” go through that part of therapy (getting in touching with aspects of having to kill). I believe that it is important for clients to try to take a step back from what they did and honor themselves for what they had to do to survive. Only when the client can appreciate and thank that part of themselves can one truly heal. </p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >B:<span> </span>I went to a conference put on by a ritual abuse survivors newsletter, where all the assassins got together <i>[laughs]</i>and talked. It was really a healing moment to be in a room of people talking about how to embrace that sphere. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoBodyText"><span> </span>There are many vets out there in this world and we’re making more every day who’ll have to deal with the same things. That’s the way it is, but other vets get benefits and I get none. <i>[Laughs]</i> Where’s my pension? </p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>All of those experimentees... What was done to you was for a government program and experimental, as well.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >B:<span> </span>The horrendous thing about it is that that’s just the surface. For each one of me, hundreds and hundreds of people have died-- experimented to death, tortured to death -- to see at what point they break and then go past it. So many unreported war crimes and torture anddeath go <o:p></o:p>into every American who gets this treatment. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>Among your memories, did you encounter actual Nazis during programming on military bases, Dr. Black, Dr. Green, etc.?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >B:<span> </span>One of the programmers was Dr. Abernacht. I don’t know if this name has ever come up anywhere, and it might be a false one-- he’s a person I’ll remember. I know that so much of it did get transferred over from all of the doctors in the camps during World War Two -- <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>Operation Paperclip.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >B:<span> </span>That was such a huge time: deals were struck with the Mob and all those creeps from the camps. And what funded it? Sex work and drugs -- still does to this day. And arms. Sell arms and buy more arms to squelch the people we sold arms to. <i>[Laughs]</i><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>Indeed, you have to have a good sense of humor in order to live in this country. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >B:<span> </span>Or a good sense of denial. <i>[Laughs again.]</i><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>The assassin, the part that kills, brings up the issue of integration. Among therapists are those who think you have to reintegrate and those who think you don’t and can just set up a dialogue among the different parts. What is your experience of integration?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >B:<span> </span>Once again, for me my healing isn’t really about therapists and their dialogue about what they’re doing. That’s their problem. I love Marlene because her ego is not in the picture. It’s not about her and how fancy she is with some kind of sick fascination keeping track of how many personalities I have so she can put it in a book -- all those kinds of objectifying behaviors which I’m an expert at. I know an objectifying behavior when I see it because I was the ultimate object. That’s what trauma and programming are all about: the ultimate object, stripping away all humanity. I have integrated different parts, for sure, but it’s been a natural thing and no one did something to me and said, ‘Now, you need to integrate because I know what’s best for you, being that I’m the expert.’ <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>Have all your parts integrated on their own,or --<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >B:<span> </span>I doubt that we’re completely integrated. My healing is about what I need to do to be fully present in my life today. I’m not going to work through every last memory -- there’s been way too much! I’ve worked through what I need to in order to have my life today. I don’t want my story to be only about these sicko’s. No, thank you. I would like to live for some things I want to do for me while I’m here -- what I came here to do, not their agenda. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>Do you think there are any personalities inside of you that you haven’t heard from?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >B:<span> </span>Ohhhh, possibly. I feel pretty comfortable that I’ve looked at the -- Stuff continues to happen, it’s so crazy living in this world, but it’s not so much about some story I don’t know about,it’s more about the context of all of it and feeling a part of living in the world -- you know, that legacy. For example, having this conversation, needing for it to be confidential. Here it is, first from my childhood so much was stolen,then many years of therapy stolen -- a huge piece of my story. It’s not a huge part of my conversation with most people because I would disappear as soon as my story showed up. My story would be so big and flashy that I wouldn’t be there, and I don’t want to deal with that. But then that creates tension and conflict.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>What does?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >B:<span> </span>Not being able to -- It’s basically, are you out or are you not out? Like if I go to a job interview, am I going to say,‘Oh, I was working on my government programming memories these last few years,how about hiring me?’ You’re talking about living in the world, finding work, making connections, being treated respectfully by other people and not having them assume if there’s a conflict that it’s about your history -- that kind of thing.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>I would imagine that you don’t tell many people --<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >B:<span> </span>Exactly.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>-- because a lot of people wouldn’t believe you in the first place.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >B:<span> </span>Exactly, you’d lose credibility. So it keeps you silent. Trauma survivors of all sorts experience tension around oppression.Just being out about sexual abuse, you pay a price. It’s a huge secret because it’s so terrifying to people that they’d rather shut you out than hear about it. More than that, I think people can believe it but then they kind of turn you into a freak show just to get some distance. ‘Oh, aren’t you an interesting specimen.’ Then, it’s not so close to them.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>Do you know many people who’ve been through this in your local area?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >B:<span> </span>Uh-huh. I have a network, for sure. It’s amazing how people find each other, but they do. In fact, if you’re going to put anything in, such an important part of healing is to get that community going where you can be -- it’s invaluable. It’s also a great place to get feed back about your therapy. Psychiatrists programmed me for years.You’re in a vulnerable place when you start in on your process and are looking for help.There are a lot of people living on the fringes whose intentions aren’t necessarily so good. It’s important to have community you can check therapists out with and get information about good ways to get a therapist. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>These people you’ve met locally -- did you meet them <o:p></o:p>serendipitously,find them on the internet, or -- ?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >B:<span> </span>One example is the 12-step food program --one person meets another...<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>Is it a wide spectrum -- house wives, office workers, professionals?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >B:<span> </span>I tend to get connected more with people who are younger than me. It seems like they sprouted sooner, partly because of the whole therapy movement. People were getting in touch with their stories sooner because they had some place to go with them. Not every body ends upbeing your friend. I have some really wonderful relationships through that connection, but you have to have something else in common. <i>[Laughs]</i><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>Are there many therapists around your area --<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >B:<span> </span>No, it’s extremely difficult to get good therapy. That’s why it’s extremely important to find someone with heart who is able to see you as a human being because you need that if you want to do your work -- that’s the most important thing, someone who can see you as a person. I know therapists bring skills to it, but if they can keep their ego out and hold the vision of you as a human being and not a specimen, you’ll get better. Your healing will happen for you. Be wary of people who are doing all sorts of little gibbedy-gabbedy things because they’re into it for their ego and not your recovery. It’s easy to get fooled, especially early on because you’re like, ‘Somebody help me, this horrible thing happened and I want theworld tostop, and everybody owes me!’ <i>[Laughs]</i> There are people happy to do it all for you, and those people aren’t your friends. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>Marlene, what would you say your ‘non-technique’ is? Many therapists </span><span style="font-family:'Courier New';">siphon these cases off as fast as they can because of fear of lawsuits,</span> <span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >threatening calls, etc. So I know that you must be very committed in order to put yourself in harm’s way to some degree, and yet I understand that you really have no technique. Is that true?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >M:<span> </span>Exactly. To begin with, I decided that if I was going to do this work I would have no fear, that somehow I would be guided through it spiritually, and that I would be protected. Basically, I have no fear and will not get caught up in fear. So if I decide to take a client on, I will do it without fear. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoBodyText">E:<span> </span>How do you manage to have no fear? Also, you mentioned the word ‘spiritual.’ What do you mean?</p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >M:<span> </span>I just believe that I’m protected and I believe that with all my heart. I believe there are bigger forces than myself. I believe that, and let it go. I’m here to help human beings heal, and it is my job to help them find their way. When I do a consultation with them, I will tell them, ‘I do not know what needs to happen, but there is a part ofyou that knows what needs to happen.’ Basically, that is their subconscious. My job isto give them the resources to assist the subconscious and to follow the signs and directions and little things the subconscious will bring up toguide them along the way. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>I see on your wall that you are a licensed hypnotherapist. Do you use questions, listening, and hypnotherapy to give guidance to the subconscious of the person to heal themselves? <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:Arial;color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >M:<span> </span>Probably the most important thing I use is listening. I would say that I listen with my heart and not just my ears. I listen with 360 degrees. I listen on a lot of layers and levels. I try to not have any one idea of what needs to happen. I attempt to be open. I think my experience and education in hypnotherapy are extremely helpful, and alot of times I won’t work directly with hypnotherapy but my experience with it can be extremely helpful in that it can be done in a certain way that the person never actually goes under hypnosis but can help facilitate doing a lot of things to make connections. It can be used in a lot of different ways to help facilitate safety and connections with memories and stay connected with the safety and security of the here and now while a person is also connecting to memories.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>By hypnosis, you’re not talking about deep trance?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >M:<span> </span>It may or may not be.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>So, “B,” how can you trust someone enough to go under hypnosis?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Courier New';">B:<span> </span>Well, I don’t think I really did much[of that] with Marlene. When I came here, I came from therapy that I considered to be inappropriate and not useful for me. So for a year, I don’t think I did anything. I had to make Marlene prove that she wasn’t trying to get anything from me. I just sat here hour after hour to see if she’d get upset. <i>[Laughs]</i> I talked but if she had an idea about something, I’d say, ‘No.’ <i>[Laughsagain.]</i> Then finally, I guess, she passed my test because I could see that it wasn’t about her making something happen so she could feel good about what she was doing, but it was really about what I needed to do, and it wasn’t just lip service. It’s easy to say that, it’s another thing to have the resources to actually offer that to people. It’s a wonderful <span style="color:black;">gift and I feel very fortunate that I got hooked up with Marlene. <o:p></o:p></span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span>I guess what I’d done before that point that got me out of my difficult therapy situation was that I had made a commitment to myself to heal. This took me through and out of that place where I could eventually see the healing wasn’t happening. I was connected with other survivors and<span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" > I was able to talk to them about my experience and have validation for the assessment that it wasn’t a healthy place. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><span> </span>[Memories of] people would come up, but forthem to come up it had to be a co-conscious event. I don’t think I ever lost time in Marlene’s presence, as it were. I wasn’t willing to do that andI don’t think it would have served me. I also think I came to trust my system as a whole and realize that even in those awful circumstances it always worked to help me through things, so I just set it to help me through my healing,too. What would be useful about me dissociating so completely from myself that I wasn’t in therapy with as much of me as possible? What healing could really happen under those circumstances? I know sometimes people have parts that come out without conscious awareness of “losing time,” but I think it’s much more useful if parts come out together. Marlene would invite me by saying,‘Do you want to go and look inside?’ That is often what she would ask. She’d start off like, ‘How’s it going?’ and I might say, ‘I’m upset with my cat,’ or whatever surface stuff, but then we’d take time to work with the invitation to look inside and see what was up.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>[To Marlene] Is that the point at which there would perhaps be a light trance?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >M:<span> </span>A lot of times it could be taking time to get quiet and relaxed and go find that feeling inside, and still stay connected to the security of the present. People who experience this kind of trauma are experts at dissociating. I don’t have to do that for them! I don’t have to help them get into a trance; they do that on their own. So me doing it for them is totally counter productive. Having the ability to do it on their own is productive because it empowers them, and that’s the whole reason for being in therapy.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >B:<span> </span>That’s something now I can do for myself. If something’s up, all I need to do is stop and go look inside. I don’t have to go to therapy to find a savior. This is such a huge difference. When you’ve had somuch trauma, it gets back to that old rescuer-victim-perpetrator triangle. I’ve been all around that triangle for years. Healing is about letting go of those patterns, and that means I don’t need fixing.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>And you had started to remember before you ever came to Marlene?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >B:<span> </span>Absolutely.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>[To Marlene] Does the ease with which someone can dissociate reveal that there might be more than meets the eye?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >M:<span> </span>No. Everybody goes into light trance easily.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>I’ve noticed how easily I go into a light trance when I drive -- probably not the best time to do so. But here’s been alot of criticism of hypnosis, especially the old image of ‘You are sleepy, count backward from ten’ -- the absolute power image of a man standing over you.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >M:<span> </span>Exactly.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >B:<span> </span>That’s programming, not deprogramming.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>So a counterimage might be, ‘Relax and go to the feelings’?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >M:<span> </span>It’s similar. It attempts to entitle a person to be able to stay connected to the feeling of security in the here and now and be able to feel more empowered to try to see their truth. As far as the deprogramming, it’s being able to assist them to connect with their own truth. Sometimes, there are things that have happened, things that have been said and done and forced on them to try to disconnect them from their own truth. My job is just to help facilitate them in being able to connect up with their own truth. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >B:<span> </span>Marlene can’t give that truth to anybody, just like I can’t give Marlene her truth. My truth is inside of me. It’s not possible for another human being to do that for somebody else, but they can assist. Most of the time, the programming was melded in with other things.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>What do you mean? Give me an example.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >B:<span> </span>In order for me to be programmable, I had to learn to hate my life force, my love of life. I learned to hate it because it was used against me, so I was ashamed of how much I loved life. If I hadn’t wanted to be here so desperately, I wouldn’t have been programmed. I mean, I’ve done things to stay alive; otherwise, I wouldn’t have been a successful candidate. So you begin to hate the basic things about yourself, and that makes you even more susceptible to suggestions about who you are. Self-hatred is the legacy of all programming, because it’s not safe to be angry outwardly so you turn it inward.<span> </span>Sometimes,there were specific things like little switch points in my mind, triggers --especially at one point in time when I was dealing with a lot of the electrocution that was done as a part of my programming. There were places I traveled to that were just weirdly mechanical and seemed more than just programming. So weird! I remember one time falling into this place where my nerves were just wiped out, shot.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>You could see an event, but --<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >B:<span> </span>I couldn’t see it because it was erased -- an erased spot in my brain. That was programming that felt like the synapses were rewired a little bit. I don’t know what Marlene did; I think she just sat there, probably kind of bored. <i>[Laughs]</i><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoBodyText">M:<span> </span>In a situation like that, I just do a little bit of relaxation so the subconscious can go back, connect, reroute, rewire, reconnect, and do whatever needs to bedone to erase anything that’s been said or done to reconnect. There are certain terms that I use...</p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >B:<span> </span>It seemed like you were constantly inviting me to go deep within myself to figure out what I needed to do so that I could be more fully present in my life today. I think you may have used different wording, but basically that was the invitation over and over again because there’s always a new piece of work to be done. And just to have awitness, because there’s so much pain. Just to have a witness there to listen and see the devastation...<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>Is memory work utterly separate from the initial work of deprogramming? There are portions of programming which seem very mechanical. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >B:<span> </span>That is such a small piece of my healing. I think people get fascinated [with the mechanics of programming]. It’s fine for them to be fascinated, and yet I don’t think that’s really where the healing happens. I disagree that you need to do deprogramming first.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>I’ve never understood how memories can be kept separate from deprogramming, since the memories and feelings are, as you say, melded to it.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >B:<span> </span>To me, it’s just more objectification. I’m a full human being first and foremost. My “system” did things to survive the trauma, and the reason I was able to become a multiple is because of health and strength, not disease. It’s an interesting thing: the people who aren’t able to split either end up dead or crazy and dysfunctional. [Multiplicity] is the best you can do in hard circumstances. That’s what I did. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >M:<span> </span>And for me to take any kind of theory like [memories and feelings being separate from deprogramming] and try to pigeon-hole people in it is just so contradictory to me working with an individual and individual experiences.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >B:<span> </span>And it’s not as interesting. I heard someone say trauma makes people all alike, but healing makes us all individuals. I think there’s a lot of truth in that. The trauma itself can be categorized, but if you’re really working with healing, healing is about people becoming who they are or their potential, right? Reclaiming who they came here to be, and letting go of other people’s agendas.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>Marlene, is there a pattern to someone getting to the point where they can individually heal themselves? Trauma ends up being a pattern that indicates a dysfunction, whereas the healing process has to be individual. Do all clients have a different way of approaching healing,or do they all follow certain specified stages?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >M:<span> </span>The healing process can vary for each person, but generally involves memories - understanding how the trauma impacted him or her, getting in touch with the emotions from the experiences and processing the intensity of their energy, integrating a more positive way of thinking about one self in those situations, and learning healthy ways to cope with difficult emotions are general stages. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>“B” sounds to me like someone who was highly motivated and really working. You must get clients who don’t move as fast or as consciously. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >B:<span> </span><i>[Laughs]</i> I was so angry and distrustful that the trust phase lasted a long time for me. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >M:<span> </span>[To B.] I must admit, you were one of my most challenging clients. <i>[Laughs also.]</i> <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>Marlene, you’ve mentioned that you have to turn away victims of ritual abuse and programming in order to protect your time. How big is this problem? It seems huge to me, much more huge than I ever imagined when I first became involved.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >M:<span> </span>It is. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>Are we talking about hundreds of thousands of people?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >B:<span> </span>We have to -- enough to really impact the whole psyche of America. It’s there and everybody knows it’s there on some level, and that’s why it’s so powerful when George W. Bush pulls his fear card. Why is that so effective? Why is everybody so afraid? It’s not because of 9/11-- that was an awful event but that’s not why all that fear is out there. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >M:<span> </span>Just look at the number of people who have been in the military and are in the military; we’re not just talking about the people who’ve been affected by [invasive mind control] programming. It’s huge! <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>I’ve heard from a couple of survivors that computer and satellite link-ups for individual mind control programming are now less time and energy consuming methods of invasive mind control. This development makes me wonder, how broadly are they are using individual mind control? How deeply has this technology penetrated society?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >B:<span> </span>It’s every where, but it’s not every thing.That’s the other part of it. Think about how the mass media functions. When you listen to it, you feel really isolated, give up and think, ‘Oh, everybody thinks this and if you don’t, you’re messed up.’ That’s not reality. Everybody doesn’t think whatever it is, at all! It’s just out there in the airwaves. There are plenty of people in the military and government who are paying attention and working hard to operate on what the surface principles of the country allegedly are -- not a dictatorship, not a military police <o:p></o:p>state. They’re probably the majority, and yet there’s a lot of other people operating by other rules -- and sometimes people are operating in both. <i>[Laughs]</i><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>I perceive that there may be a lot of good people in government, but they’re being compromised.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >B:<span> </span>They’re letting their fear decide for them. And if you think about what it takes to get elected on a national level-- we don’t really have [democratic elections] there anymore because it’s so expensive that you have to have corporate sponsorship to do it. This doesn’t get talked about because corporations own all the media. That’s a type of programming in itself, and everyone is exposed to it. Then you look at the history curriculum taught in public schools -- that’s programming for everyone, too. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>In a way, human culture itself is programming.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >B:<span> </span>It is! But that’s part of the human experience and is not necessarily negative. What’s humane is that our work in this life is to program ourselves and become who we are intended to be. Sure, there’s going to be some social overlay, but if it’s so intrusive that people can’t develop as humans, as individuals, then we’re really robbing ourselves of so many resources. How many things don’t happen in this country because of programming? It costs us so much. We could all be wealthy if we stopped doing that crap to ourselves. The whole world could be so much happier. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>Can people heal without spiritual principles or spirituality? I have noted that many survivors get involved in religion, but I’m asking about spirituality, not religion, which can easily be a form of programming itself, despite its authentic core. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >B:<span> </span>That’s another one of the ironic things about the programming. If you kill someone -- I mean, I’ve been dead several times, right? You kill someone, you go some place, you do something, you get some strength to go on and you get some knowing. If the humanity around you fails you, which for a kid is being programmed and having an abusive home, you break through the surface fabric and land some place. You don’t just keep falling forever, you land some place. So you live with a knowing about that. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>Would you be willing to share one such experience?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >B:<span> </span>You hear people talk about their after-death experiences. I have a knowing deep down inside me that kept me going and was part of my life force, that I had stuff to do after this. I couldn’t have kept going without it, although not on a conscious level, what I call my top side life. But it was always there with me. It’s not so much one experience as apart of being human. It doesn’t mean that a person necessarily believes in a specific God or something, but I think we are spiritual creatures. So of course you become more open to that part of yourself. But would I have gone to a therapist who had a specific spiritual agenda for me? No. I think Marlene’s ability to be here and listen in that deep way is the work she’d done outside of here, but it was never overt [during therapy].<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >M:<span> </span>I think it’s so important for a person to define [spirituality] for themselves, do whatever it is that is true for them. I also believe that it is such an important part of therapy and something that is very seldom really worked with in therapy because it’s so uncomfortable for therapists to talk about. They do not know how to talk about spirituality in a generic way.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>-- in the way that’s actually appropriate.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >M:<span> </span>Yes.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >B:<span> </span>Marlene invited me to find for myself what I believed -- empowered me to grow in that area by saying, ‘So, what do you believe? What’s true for you?’<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >M:<span> </span>In any situation, I’d invite her – I’d say,‘Okay, I would like to invite you to take a different perspective, a higher perspective. Crawl way up high on a very tall ladder so you see this from a higher spiritual perspective. What would that be?’ <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><span> </span>In this context, I’d like to talk about possession. It fits in spiritually, and it also fits in regarding deprogramming and doing things to the client. Any time anything is done to the client, it takes away the power of the client; and anytime you do something to the client,you’re assuming that you know more than the client. This will always mean trouble because you can never assume that you know more. When you’re assuming that this person is possessed, if you assume wrongly and you do a de-possession [exorcism] and that happens to be a part of them that has had to fragment off, a part of them that has had to kill, a part of them that has had to be part of a demonic ritual and take on that personality in order to be a part of that ritual, and it comes time to do memory work, you are doing that client a disservice.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >B:<span> </span>In fact, it’s really reinforcing the programming to do that. It’s a judgment: ‘I’m in a position to decide what about you is okay and what part of you we need to get rid of.’<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >M:<span> </span>‘I know more about you and what needs to happen than you do.’ And that is not okay. That is not helping to empower the client.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >B:<span> </span>I heard you getting at this a little bit earlier: Sometimes a survivor is heavily into their victim trance, and so we send out invitations for people to fix us because we don’t want to take responsibility. But it doesn’t matter how beautifully or touching or puppy-love or desperate that invitation is, it is not helping someone to respondto that message with fixing. I think people really get confused by that. What about somebody who’s really hurting? [The answer is:] If you can’t believe that people have the capacity within them, then you shouldn’t be in the business of healing. People have to really believe that, and yet it’s so seductive to think,‘Oh, but just this once I could help them because they’re solost, and they’ll thank me so much.’ It’s really taking away their power. And every person who does it gets built up just a little bit -- an energy vampire thing. Very, very seductive. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>The whole idea of banishing the one with the memories is deadly.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >M:<span> </span>It is, and so sad, too. Here’s this person inside who was willing to take on this most horrendous role in order to protect, and then they’re banished. So now, in order to heal, the client has togo off in the ozone somewhere to recall the memories...<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>Can you recall banished parts?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >M:<span> </span>Well, it’s possible, but then it means just that much more trauma -- <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >B:<span> </span>Because the depossession was actually a violation. I was thinking earlier, when things start to open up, you’re opening up to your truth, a natural process. You don’t have to go to someone. If you have safety, you start to remember. Like a plant, if you have enough air, light, and water, you start to heal and it starts to come out. This is a really vulnerable time because you’ve got all your dysfunction helping you make your decisions. Also, multiples are time-travelers and can call on a future self to help them -- they don’t have to believe in anything but that -- just call on your future self to help you navigate through <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >E:<span> </span>Regarding possession and demons versus memories belonging to dissociated parts, does it matter what you the therapist personally believe?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >M:<span> </span>No.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style=";font-family:'Courier New';color:black;" >B:<span> </span>I think that’s the whole thing about leaving the ego at the door. If that person comes in with their faith, that’spart of their tools. If they’re a Christian, they can bring that to their healing. It doesn’t matter if Marlene shares that faith or not because it’s not about her and what she believes. But she has a gift of supporting them as they find out who they are. They don’t have to be a miniature Marlene to benefit. </span></p> <p class="Body"><i><span style="font-family:Helvetica;"><o:p></o:p></span></i></p>ConspiraZine!http://www.blogger.com/profile/01517935464511953712noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-820436948915789019.post-22066894847399786072010-01-20T16:16:00.000-08:002010-01-20T16:19:14.177-08:00Continuations of Pagan Origins of Christmas Traditions—Some More Gruesome Than You May Suspect<span style="font-weight: bold;"> </span><span style="font-style: italic;">By Tantra Bensko</span><br /><br /><br />Do you celebrate the birth of Jesus on December 25th? Or is it Mithras? Horus? Osiris? Hermes? Bacchus, Prometheus maybe?<br /><br />This article is not biased toward any religion, but simply relaying some factual information about some ancient practices that still continue, many behind the scenes. The similarities between Jesus and other Messiahs born of virgins on December 25th, with wise men following a star and bringing gifts, etc. can be enlightening to look into at least briefly.<br /><br />Many of the gods were representations of the sun, and Mithras, and Christ, for example, became emblems of Solar Monotheism. (Heck, see Encyclopedia Britannica vol 11 page 390 if you like.)<br /><br />While many Christians aren’t familiar with the long list of deities with similar traits to Christ, those who are familiar at all have most often heard of his relationship to Mithra, the pagan sun god popular in the Roman Empire of the first centuries AD. He was also worshipped in Asia, and Europe, his name there being Deus Sol Invictus Mithras (open, unconquered sun).<br /><br />Saturn and the sun were often linked together in pagan rituals. Rome worshipped the God Saturn during Saturnalia with wreathes and giving presents, singing, and drinking, fornicating in lawless orgies that bypassed love and decency, and sacrifice. (Sexuality was used in the rituals of Saturnalia, and its echoes throughout history and cultures, because the demonic entities are claimed to be able to feed off of that energy given off at orgasm as they can off of the energy given from the body at death.) The week leading up to the 25th was rife with crazed chaos as the sun’s light began returning after the solstice. In 336 AD, Constantine, who had identified himself with Mithras, made the pagan holiday into Christmas. http://www.origin-of-christmas.com/<br /><br />In 350 AD Pope Julius I made December 25 the official date for Christmas, and in 529 AD Emperor Justinian stated that Christmas was newly a civic holiday, though people still connected it with Mithraism. http://www.lone-star.net/mall/main-areas/xmas-not-first-choice.htm<br /><br />Mithraism was a Roman mystery religion for men, supported officially by emperors, from Turkey to the British Empire, in which the initiates worshipped in caves, their rituals, including baptism, progressing through 7 stages related to astrology. Mithraism was especially tied to the sacrifice of the bull, and cattle-herding, appropriate for the astrology of the time. The blood of the sacrifice Mithra/Mithris saves the world. Though sacrificing the bull was the epitome of Mithras, sacrificing humans was also a part of the religion. http://www.religionfacts.com/greco-roman/sects/mithraism.htm<br /><br />Messiah Mithra, the Good Shepherd, The Lion, and The Lamb, was born 600 BC, of a virgin, in a cave, as shepherds brought gifts. He had 12 disciples, performed miracles, was buried and resurrected after 3 days to redeem the world, because he was the “Way, the Truth and the Light,” the Word of God, Savior. Sunday was set aside to worship him, with communion, based on the Lord’s Supper when he claimed “He who shall not eat of my body nor drink of my blood so that he may be one with me and I with him, shall not be saved.” http://www.atheists.org/Pre-Christian_Christmas_Stories_with_Other_Gods<br /><br />But what about other deities with that birthday, of which there are a gigantic number? We won’t even get into Jupiter in Rome,<br />Semitic solar deity, Shamash, Hermes, or, Prometheus or a huge number of others.<br /><br />Nimrod, Savior of Babylon, may have started it all, when he was born on December 25th. Nimrod married his mother, Semiramis, and then he died, was made into the sun god, Baal. His mother/wife, then gave birth to Tammuz, who was his son, and his reincarnated self. http://christmasxmas.xanga.com/633488954/item/<br /><br />In his book THE TWO BABYLONS, page 98, Hislop tells us<br />the Yule Log represents the sun god Nimrod, cut down by his enemies on the shortest day of the year; the Christmas tree is Nimrod reincarnated, born again, decorated as a king. Traditionally, when the (Christmas) Baalmas Nimrod tree’s needles fell off, the townspeople would damp all their fires, and set the tree itself on fire, cooking a holy dinner over it’s heat. They would then take some fire from that to relight their hearths, and the remaining charred wood would be used for carving an idol. http://www.jesus-messiah.com/html/christmas2.html<br /><br />During 5 days before Dec. 25th, people became unusually drunk, committed adultery and incest rampantly, which created a kind of loveless sexual energy, which were for the purpose of resonating with the demonic plane, calling in the entities, and feeding them, sacrificing the orgasmic energy to them to bring back the sun’s light. Slaves became masters for a day. (Persia and Babylonia had Sacaea, an event in which slaves and their owners engaged in a role reversal.) Baal is the name of Nimrod, in his deified form, and this period of days was called Baalmas.<br /><br />One slave would be adorned in red (think Santa?) and called the "lord-of-misrule," Zoganes. The Baalmas revelers would give presents, and drink wassail, spiced liquor. Supposedly because Tammuz was killed by a wild boar, a pig was sacrificed and eaten. This is the reason for eating ham now, on Christmas, still.<br /><br />Worshippers held hands in a circle around an idol, danced naked while singing about sex, death, and reincarnation. A child would be sacrificed above a woman’s body, and the pagans paired off to have ritual sex amongst the trees, especially one representing the tree of life.<br /><br />Thousands of children were sacrificed in these rituals, which are echoed today in secret rites in many cults and secret societies. A large number of books, videos, and articles are available with well documented evidence, and testimony, not relying on hypnosis. MKZine, which I was on staff with, is one print magazine that dealt with those mind control trauma inducing groups often related to the government and can still be ordered, something I’d recommend if anyone wants to know more on the subject. http://www.madhattersreview.com/issue6/gallery_interview_lynn.shtml is a link to an interview I did for Mad Hatters Review when I was on staff with them. In it, I discuss with Lynn Schirmer her childhood in some depth, including: “ I am a survivor of private and tax-funded torture that began in childhood. I was born into a cult whose belief system supported the ritualized and sadistic abuse of children. The group also profited from child trafficking, pornography, and prostitution. At the age of 3, I was tested for and inducted into a government behavioral control and medical experimentation program. Children of cult families were especially sought after because the programs utilized dissociative reactions common to traumatized children. Parents in the cult were easily persuaded or coerced, and some, as in my case, received status for having their children accepted.” http://www.lynnsart.net/info.htm<br />Is a page on her site that gives a few of the many books on the subject.<br /><br />Our Webmistress, Shirley Harshenin, also grew up in a mind controlled cult that was trauma based with ritual torture of children, and she extended the interview with Lynn herself: “I was abused and there was some early manipulation of alters within cult settings, but all the formal splitting and setting up of my internal system took place in the labs. My family had a connection to someone working within the government programs, that was how I was recruited. Many of the doctors, though not all, were active in cults at times. They were at least aware of the activity and would call up alters storing memories of ritual torture and use them for various purposes.”<br /><br />Christmas is a time in which in modern day cult families, Santa becomes a frightening costumed member of the group, and this is based on the old pagan tradition. The red robed Nick was said to visit children during that 5 day period and give them presents. Presents were often body parts. The children were often raped, and their sexual organs removed during Baal sacrifices, and eaten, the best being the still beating heart. Even now, child molestation and abuse is incredibly rampant during Christmas, with many others gone unreported as well because many children are raised secretly in secret societies for the purpose of sacrifice in Satanic rituals.<br /><br />In England, and Scotland, the Feast of Fools was reminiscent of the Saturnalia. The Normans in 1066 introduced the Lord of Misrule, who made sure Christmas went by the pagan tradition.<br /><br />Dressed in a red robe like a king, he moved the townspeople to singing, and dancing, sexual indecency and impropriety, and drinking heavily, and Nick gave them gifts. The male heads of families would sometimes dress up like the saint as well.<br />http://www.jesus-messiah.com/html/christmas2.html<br /><br />Semiramis told the people her son, Nimrod/ Baal, was in his death, shining on them in resurrected form. She claimed the earth was flat, and on the bottom side lived demons who lived to destroy those on the upper surface. But her beloved Nimrod, every dusk, as the setting sun, saved people from them, only to reappear the next day as the rising sun to keep them the folks warm and cosy.<br /><br />Just as the Romans celebrated the day of the equinox, the Babylonians celebrated it as the day of Ishtire, son of the Babylonian queen Estarte. They called that day "Yule Day," meaning "child day." This sounds sweet until we remember that children were killed most often on that day in the rituals. Babylon was established by Nimrod, ruled by himself and his wife/mother, the queen, Semiramus. Since the sun was life force, people lit fires in December to remind it to get strong again, and on the 25th, they had incestuous orgies to do so. They celebrated holly, mistletoe, and evergreens, as they still kept their color. http://usa-the-republic.com/religion/christmas.html<br /><br />Worshippers of Baal/Nimrod in Canaan, Babylon and Phoenicia did so through human sacrifice, especially of children, whom they often ate, dedicated to Moloch, who is an aspect of Nimrod. (The Curse Of Canaan, p 67.) The Baal aspect gave life, while Moloch destroyed it, just as the firey sun can do both. Both got by through human sacrifice, and both were represented by Saturn, thus Saturnalia. You may remember Moloch from the California tradition at Bohemian Grove of sacrificing “something” to the owl god, Moloch, to release care.<br /><br />The Carthaginians, Phoenicians and Canaanites, threw children into a burning hole made creatively in the shape of the god, Baal/Moloch. One site, near Tunis, boasts six thousand urns containing burned children from those rituals. http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/biggestsecret/biggestsecretbook/biggestsecret15.htm<br /><br />The tradition of Sacea, in Persia and Babylon, also involved criminals being sacrificed on that day. Meanwhile, everyone else took off work, played, gambled, and scared off darkness with lights. Other cultures encouraged the sun to return at that time, such as in Mesopotamia, wherein a convict was sacrificed to atone for the sins of the multitude.<br /><br />Nordic and Germanic invaders of the Roman empire taught the conquerors the traditions, but somehow, they already had them! Germanic and Celtic worshippers simply merged their own solstice rituals such as the Julmond festival (Yule) of rebirth, with wheat symbolizing life, as did evergreen trees, and the Yule log, wild boar to eat, wassail accompanying it. Germany itself started celebrating Christmas, as the birth of Jesus, in 813, and Norway did in the middle 900’s.<br /><br />But what other deities were born on the 25th? Oh, plenty! Is that all they shared with Christ? Not hardly!<br /><br />There have been many Messiahs, the name which means rubbed with fat, anointed with various types of fat sometimes from crocodiles, other times from intestines of sacrificial victims, whose corpses are hung from trees under which the ritual worshippers stand.<br /><br />Pre-Christian Christmas Stories with Other Gods by Edwin Kagin (http://www.atheists.org/Pre-Christian_Christmas_Stories_with_Other_Gods) is an excellent recourse for tracking some of the Messiahs born on that special day of the year.<br /><br />In Egypt, Horus, also called The Good Shepherd, who was of royal descent, was born 3000 BC, but still, somehow, knew the 25th was the day to be born, of a virgin, (Isis) in a cave, or manger, as announced by 3 wise men bringing presents. Thoth had luckily announced to Isis that she would give birth to him, after Kneph the “Holy Ghost,” had put his divine seed in the virgin. Nice precursor of Christmas, don’t you think? Especially as he was also called KRIST.<br /><br />Not only that, this “Holy Child,” son of Ptah, the Father, started teaching in a temple at age 12, disappeared, and by 30, reappeared, only to baptized by a man who later had his head cut off. Horus, the fisher of men, had 12 followers, who adored him, considering he made miracles, raised the dead (El-Azarus by name), gave the Sermon on the Mount, drove demons from folks, and had a penchant for walking on water. Finally, he died on the cross between two thieves, was buried for three days, but found his way out after that, reborn. He was said to be The Way, the Truth, and the Light, the Messiah, The Lamb of God, The Word Made Flesh, The Word of Truth, who would reign for 1000 years.<br /><br />The Godhead, Horus’s Father, called Osiris, and Amen, who art in Heaven, the Resurrection and The Life. He led people into green pastures to give them protection in the valley of the shadow of death. He died, was reborn to be Lord of Lords and King of Kings in Heaven, was also announced by 3 wise men, and communion was given with wheat crackers.<br /><br />Later on, in 1400 BC, Attis of Phrygia was born on Dec. 25th, to a virgin named Nana. He too had communion given to represent his body with bread. He was crucified to save humanity with his blood.<br />And spent 3 days dead underground. He was reborn as the evergreen.<br /><br />Meanwhile, at the same time, Krishna, the anointed one, Shepherd of God, in India, as angels and shepherds bearing gifts of spices followed the star announced, was being born of a virgin, Devaki, and a carpenter father, on, December 25. An annoying king ordered all the babies to be killed. Ring a bell? He was a humble spiritual teacher of 12 disciples, and created miracles such as raising the dead, and healing until he redeemed sins by being crucified with nails through his feet, between 2 thieves at around 30, and then was resurrected. He was called Our Lord and Savior, and Jeseus (pure essence).<br /><br />400 years later, on the 25th, Zoroaster/Zarathustra, The Word Made Flesh, was also born of a virgin, named Dughdhava, conceived by a divine ray. He was baptized with water, fire, and holy ghost, performed miracles, exorcised demons, healed, had 12 disciples, was tempted in the wilderness, started teaching at age 30, was a spiritual teacher who focused on heaven and hell, the apocalypse, and his salvation of his followers who took communion and expected a second coming of the Savior.<br /><br />Heracles, of all people, in 800 BC, was born on guess which day, to a virgin, and was sacrificed at the usual time, the spring equinox.<br /><br />Next in the line born of a virgin, Maya this time, Queen of Heaven, on the 25th was Buddha, in 563 BC, as announced by wise men with gifts, following a star, while the angles sang. He was a spiritual teacher who performed miracles like walking on water and healing, multiplying cakes. He lived humbly, taught in the temple at the tender age of 12, was tempted, and told his followers to turn the other cheek.<br /><br />Though people may think of the drunken, lascivious reveler, Dionysus as being very different from Christ, the Annointed Savior, Lamb of God, was the Holy Child, born of a virgin on the very same day of the year, 186 BC, and put in a manger. The Only Begotten Son was also a spiritual teacher, traveling like the rest of them, performing his share of miracles as was to be fully expected by that time, such as turning the obligatory water into wine. He was crucified and contributed his sacred King of Kingly flesh to the communion, and resurrected. People may think of Adonis, the more pure one, as being the more Christly one of these two associated yet seemingly opposite gods, different aspects of the sun’s energy, and indeed, he was also born of a virgin on the same day of the year, but in 200 BC, same year as Bacchus, similarly related to wine as Dionysus, and once again, born on the 25th. http://www.atheists.org/Pre-Christian_Christmas_Stories_with_Other_Gods<br /><br />Many people are becoming more sophisticated in their understanding of how these and many more Messiahs I didn’t even name are based on astrology and astronomy, the way the sun seems to disappear at the solstice, and the years move through astrological periods, etc. Another subset of the population has been aware for a long time of the more sinister reasons these were used to manipulate the population. Certainly, celebrating the return of longer days, for example, is a beautiful thing to share with family and friends. However, looking at the rape, incest, debauchery, adultery, and especially, the child sacrifices common to the period of the solstice period, rather than turning their heads away, many people have become versed in the way various secret societies and Satantic groups, mostly involving people highly placed in society, have continued to use these same dark traditions in the name(s) of the same so called god. including child sacrifice at the solstice/Christmas period. This can be at the very least comforting to those involved, not to be so alone, considered crazy. At at best, more activism can arise, helping stop those who are proven to have perpetrated such crimes.<br /><br />Satanic rituals harken back to ancient Babylon and the Sumerian, Phoenician, Hittite, Egyptian, Canaanite and Akkadian peoples, among many others across the world. Nimrod, Baal, Moloch or Molech, Set, the Devil, Lucifer, are all the same person, according to many researchers, including David Icke.<br /><br />Sacrifice of animals, or humans, are done purportedly to affect the lower astral realms, of the dark entities, sometimes called demons, sometimes reptilians, and negative emotions like panic, and extreme pain are said to feed those entities lurking there, and many people highly placed in society feel forging a connection with them, even going so far as to be possessed by them at times, will help them gain power. The sacrifices of people in pain with adrenalin, which the entities are said to be especially hungry for, appease them, as they are not known to be benevolent towards our race. Sometimes children are sacrificed, and sometimes, the kings themselves become the slain saviors, such as in North Africa and the Near East, China, Rome, Africa, Asia, Greece, South America, Incans in Peru, and the Aztec’s Mexico. The Irish, Scythians, and Caananites were heavily into human sacrifices. Ancient Egyptians, those darlings of the gentle New Agers, were major sacrificers. At a time when Carthage warring against Rome, 200 families of nobility sacrificed their sons to the sun god, Baal.<br />http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/biggestsecret/biggestsecretbook/biggestsecret15.htm<br /><br />David Icke, in Chapter 15 of one of his excellent books, all of which I highly recommend to anyone who wants to explore some ideas about the history of our planet, The Biggest Secret, gives as an example, the Scandinavians, who buried children underground while still living in order to alleviate breakouts of epidemics by making an offering to Odin, similar to the German Wodan. He also mentions that the Druids would bury a child under a building in progress and strew his or her blood around the construction site. They also soaked their altars in the blood of their victims. These are similar to countless examples all the way into modern society of burial, as Jesus was said to have been buried, to redeem and save a situation.<br /><br />When Carthage was struggling in the war against Rome, 200 noble families sacrificed their sons to Baal (the Phoenician Sun god, Bel or Bil). Nigel Davies, Human Sacrifice, In History And Today (William Morrow and Company, New York), p 21<br /><br />Abraham, who came from Sumeria, at Ur, where human sacrifice was extraordinarily common, was one good example of sacrificing a child to god. Cain and Abel showed that god wanted blood sacrifice, with no use for grain.<br /><br />In the 8th and 7th centuries BC, Israelites were proved to have charred their sons on fires in rituals to Moloch/Baal in the Valley of Gehinnon. (Human Sacrifice, In History And Today, p 64.)<br />The Old Testament of course is full of not only animal, but human sacrifices, and the Jewish synagogues were always crying with animals being killed for their god.<br /><br />The Vedic tradition also includes sacrifice, especially of children, unfortunately, I have to say, being named Tantra, to Kali, Shiva’s consort, to gain their life force energy, which is strong at that age.<br /><br />Icke mentions “I have been told by Satanists, many of their victims, and by therapists working with victims, the same stories of ‘regeneration rituals’. The ageing Satanist, sometimes a high ranking member of the Brotherhood, stands in the centre of a circle of babies or young children. As they are sacrificed the ritual allows the Satanist to absorb their life-essence, their life-force, and regenerate his or her body.”<br /><br />Satanists don’t usually perform this act sparsely, but many times, and there are a mind boggling number of active Satanists. The most common days for it are equinoxes and solstices, especially winter Solstice, the day the light is farthest away, and then the regeneration from that comes three days later, on the 25th, as the days start to become longer.<br /><br />Ted Gunderson, 28 years employed by the FBI, claims there are about 3.75 million active Satanists in the United States and maybe 60,000 sacrifices of humans each a year here.<br /><br />JonBenet Ramsey, whose first name is a Freemasonic term for Satan, was killed on Christmas Eve, 1996. The coroner and investigator, Dr Cyril Wecht, claims says that she was killed while undergoing sexual torture by her parents. http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/biggestsecret/biggestsecretbook/biggestsecret15.htm<br /><br />Winter solstice, on December 21st or 22nd is the pagan New Year, and so the whole time from the Solstice until the 25th, sometimes with the Children are sometimes tortured by Satanic cult members playing the part of Santa, under a Christmas tree, according to “Christmas in the Cult in Ritual Abuse” by Svali. Presents may be given to them that have secret meanings related to mind control programming. (See Christmas in the Cult: http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/ritual_abuse/87619)<br /><br />According to Earl Shorris “The Cowards of Christmas Eve,” published in Esquire Magazine, Originally published in the December 1973 issue, http://www.esquire.com/features/christmas-crime-1273<br />“December is the most violent month, the time of murder, robbery, assault, suicide and Christmas. In New York City the number of manslaughter cases on December 24 is almost twice the daily average for the year.” The FBI Uniform Crime Report shows violent crime going up, for whatever reason, in December. While some of this could be tensions rising for seasonal reasons, some of it represents some of the sacrifices.<br /><br />Yet, this includes only a tiny number of ritual murders in cults because the victims are often not even registered as existing, having been bred for sacrifice, and not officially given a certificate, being assisted by special midwives.<br /><br />“Ritual Abuse, Ritual Crime and Healing, Ritual Abuse Hot-Line Training” says: “The abuse is used to gain ultimate control over another human being, control by torture of the mind, body, and spirit. The abuse happens as part of a ritual. It can happen at any time but is especially likely to happen on a child's birthday and on satanic holidays, which include May 1, Halloween, Easter, the solstices, and Christmas. The cult tries to destroy any kind of life-affirming connections based on caring, replacing them with connections based on torture and death…… Authority figures are often perpetrators. The child is in the untenable position of being expected to respect and obey adults who torture her. Doctors are sometimes associated with cults, to give medication, to keep someone alive while bringing her to the brink of death, to perform "magick" (e.g. fake) surgery. People who work for the FBI, lawyers, police, people high up in government, have been said to be satanic cult members.<br />http://www.ra-info.org/resources/ra_hotl.shtml We can see how it would be fitting for the doctors to bring victims to the brink of death, to fit the sacrifice going to the underworld and returning.<br /><br />Many of the children sacrificed are bred for the purpose in bloodline families, secret societies, who keep their actions, and even their children, secret, or the children are kidnapped, accounting for many of the missing children each year, a million statistically predicted to go missing in 2010. Satanists feel they are eating the life force, and feeding the life force to their gods as well, and mimicing the sacrifices to their gods of those done throughout history, some of the gods themselves representing the sacrificed victims whose blood is redeeming. Commonly, they tear out the heart and eat it while it is still beating, red, a kind of communion. All this is to manipulate themselves and others with energies, controlling the mind in ways that defy the natural inclinations of human nature. http://pakalert.wordpress.com/2009/12/13/satanic-sacrifices-a-million-in-us-to-go-missing-in-2010/<br /><br />So, by all means, enjoy Christmas, enjoy whatever your religion is on that day, if you have one, enjoy whatever warmth you find wherever wholesome place you find it. But perhaps you can find some empathy for those who are victims of or who have escaped from, or brushed up against others in mind controlled cults who find that time of year most unsettling. Maybe you might want to notice what kind of subtle mind control is used for manipulation in your life, by you, on you, around you, and take the chance to confront and release it, work to improve it.ConspiraZine!http://www.blogger.com/profile/01517935464511953712noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-820436948915789019.post-59274280920321440102009-12-20T14:51:00.000-08:002009-12-20T15:01:34.853-08:00Interview Collaboration with Mr. E!Here's a couple of interviews produced by Mr. E, who has a hip hop and break beat history show on Free Radio Olympia 98.5FM, on Saturdays from 2-4pm, right before ConspiraZine! How convenient!<br /><br />An interview with growers from <span style="font-weight:bold;">Left Foot Organics</span>, where they promote self-sufficiency, inclusion and independence for people with developmental disabilities through meaningful employment and training in the business of growing and selling high quality organic food and farm products. website: leftfootorganics.org<br /><br />http://www.radio4all.net/index.php/program/38301 <br /><br />A riveting and informative discussion group with maverick compounding pharmacist, Randy Mentzer. Topics discussed: The origins of compounding, synthetic vs. natural, homeopathy, chelation therapy, FDA regulations and vaccines.<br /><br />http://www.radio4all.net/index.php/program/38297ConspiraZine!http://www.blogger.com/profile/01517935464511953712noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-820436948915789019.post-67975940505465117742009-07-07T20:45:00.000-07:002009-07-07T21:18:40.189-07:00The Men That Don't Fit In: JFK Assassination Insider Speaks OutBy Rod MacKenzie<br /><br /><br />I have been asked by friends why I care to relate what I know about the events leading up to the killing of John F. Kennedy, Jr. and consequent cover-ups and diversions. It is not easy to answer because in revealing these facts as I know them, I open myself up to being branded everything from a nut case to a wannabe, kook, or liar. I am none of these and care little what the reader thinks. These facts have gnawed at my gut for 46 years and I do not care to head for the eternal dirt nap on the Great Midway Beyond without making an attempt at stating what I know and saw at that time. <br /> <br />I took a trip to Dallas to hunt up journals I kept at the time, so the events are completely accurate, though some of the times and dates will be a bit off. I did a lot of moving in those days; carny and circus types and agents do that. The months prior to going to Dallas get a little mixed up, but the chronological order is accurate, as are all the Dallas events up to the time I split. I was stable enough to have steady housing, a phone, and a second job in nursing while in Dallas, which enabled me to keep a pretty good account in my log. Later and before Dallas, I only kept a record of finances, travel miles, and sometimes an event of note. <br /> <br />Luck and happenstance placed me in a front row seat at the Big Show of the 20th century. I was on elbow-brushing terms with major and minor players involved in these events. I did not know what was going to take place on the 22nd of November 1963, but as soon as it went down I realized what a precarious position I was in, and yet had no idea of how deeply I was associated with the whole mess. That would come later when I would have drastic decisions to make, when a wrong move would be fatal. <br /> <br />I have made it to 72 years of age, keeping the secrets in my brain quiet except to a select close few. While most of the people I associated with have passed on to their allotted other realms, I have been pretty much left to my own devices. True, I was in a field that could swallow one up in a cloak of anonymity: I was the keeper of identities and knew clandestine and evasive tactics that enabled me to be less visible than others. Of course, this would not have stopped the people I had been involved with from finding me if they had so desired. Somehow, I was either still of use to Them, or it was deemed that there was no need to use termination in my case, but not because I was trusted, as They trust no one.<br /><br />As I look back on my disappearance attempt, I realize that I made a number of major mistakes, so for years I kept watch on my surroundings and my 24-foot perimeter. I still do. This helped, I am sure, but I knew that if a contract were placed on me, there would be no place on earth I could go that would save me. But I was not important enough for international attention. It was that simple. If I had been fool enough to stay in the zone of the interior (ZI), I am sure I never would have reached the age of 30, never mind 72. <br /><br />Of course, this was before the mass effort to identify everyone by their social security, mother’s maiden name, birth date, and of course the wonders of plastic credit cards. The taxpayer was not yet identified by whoever had the power of the mighty computer; this was all in its early stages then. Weapons were everywhere and it was hardly a crime to carry one or even fire it, as long as you were not committing a crime. Arms licenses (except for local laws) were not in effect and even where they were, such as New York State, penalties were pretty light, even for former criminals. Criminals then were a bit more selective as to who they picked on, as they knew their meal ticket might just be armed. <br /><br />I was trained at Ft. Detrick, Maryland at the Seals & Flapps School by the Defense Intelligence Agency handler over me in the art of making and providing false papers. (At that time, a picture on any identification was a rarity.) I had come to my handler’s attention by inventing a three-suitcase identification setup – a complete ID factory with blanks of all sorts, certificates, company checks and ID cards, a small printing press and types, inks, seal-making equipment, a compact enlarger, photo print frame, papers and chemical packs, trays, etc. It served me well and was also quite lucrative. In fact, it enabled me to make a reasonably safe getaway from the ZI in 1964. <br /> <br />My slight educational efforts have been for the most part in practical and technical fields. The circus, carnival, spies, tramps (not bums), agents provocateur, and of course assorted criminals with great aspirations are not fields one gets sheepskins for. I did go to nursing school. At the time, most male nurses were of the odd set. Hell, I wish they all had been gay, then I would have been in great demand with all the babes. (Smile.) I am also an artist with professional strengths. <br /> <br />I as well as many others knew the day after the hit just who had been responsible for ordering the President to be killed. That means Chief of Police Currey and all sorts of other law enforcement folks as well. However, we had little idea of the tentacles that went from the persons and their cohorts to every conceivable office of government, world banking powers and big business corporations to control the aftermath. That is why so many like myself who had hands-on dealings with the responsible parties and knew small parts of the puzzle were able to connect some of the dots. It is also why many of these same people were not to enjoy longevity. There were no real secrets, only lies. It was done pretty much out in the open for all who would really look to see. Lies and cover-ups were later and the order of every day from then on. <br /> <br />The actual assassins I either knew or knew of within a few days after the fact. I spent a day a week later drinking with Malcolm “Mac” Wallace, the man who had directed the killing teams for Lyndon B. Johnson and his Texas Mafia with the help of the other Mafia. We spent a day doing the setup bars and strip joints in both Ft. Worth and Dallas. Mac was quite talkative in a conspirator way. He and I had known each other in the past from dealings with gamblers at the Adolphis Hotel and the Egyptian Lounge and my having to do with the safe house I ran for them and the Mob. Several of the people he mentioned I knew from my dealings over the past years in the Cuban fiascos and fun and games. The Permindex bunch run out of New Orleans paid the bills and Mac had often been the delivery guy. <br /> <br />It was a classic, well thought out hit by a very large cast of characters, and yet one wonders just how so many were quiet so long. Of course, many died shortly after. John Roselli told me later that they had set Kennedy up first at the baseball field in New York City but that it had not gone right; then again in Chicago at Soldiers Field, and then in Miami. Finally, they got everything right in Dallas – Dallas was a natural place for that bit of history because Kennedy was not at all popular there – and They brought just about everyone who was anyone in the business of nastiness and criminality together to witness or unwittingly be part of it. I was one such person. We were all disposable, as well, and did not know that, either. I suppose I was usable after the hit, which was why I had the chance to sort it all out later. Most of us that day had no idea what we were involved in. Compartmentalization is the way of They. <br /> <br />I sincerely believe that if Kennedy had been brought to Baylor where I was a surgical nurse on the second shift rather than to Parkland Hospital, I would have had different duties to my masters that day or evening, which is not a comforting speculation even today. Such knowledge stagnating within me over the years does have an effect. <br /> <br />When I read the misinformation about what I saw as a simple killing of an important person, I wonder at the stupidity of the general public. Perhaps it’s just that they don’t really care. They are just too busy scratching out a living and so on to give a shit as to what their so-called leaders are doing. I would say that is by design as well and has been from as far back as history goes. But let’s never say it’s a conspiracy, despite the fact that whenever two or more people plan anything it is indeed a conspiracy. Being branded a conspiracy nut ain’t all that bad. Perhaps it’s paid off for me to have been looking over my shoulder all these years. <br /> <br />When I see people like Senator Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania – the man who introduced the magic bullet – still at it, doing the bidding of the powers that put him where he is, I say that the killing of John F. Kennedy, Jr. rewarded a lot like him who were willing to sell their souls after the event. Those Justices on the bench, the Warren Commission, and all of us who got out of Dodge after the mayhem was over and kept silence: we’re all guilty. But there is a time when it’s smarter to be on the winning side, even with the price you pay later. It may only be the price of knowing you did the wrong thing, or it may be the price of knowing you took something to look the wrong way. But there is always something we have to live with. (Then there’s the thought of what the alternative would have made happen…)<br /> <br />The more honorable people involved in this mess were those who had some inkling of patriotic fervor, despite the fact that it was wrong – who at least believed that what they were involved in was for the betterment of America. They were of a better quality than those who gained later for cover-ups and payoffs. JFK and his brother were far from my favorite people at that time; we all blamed the loss of freedom in Cuba on them. My friends Sam Giancana and John Roselli had worked hard (if illegally) to heel the wards in Chicago for Joe Kennedy so his son could win the presidency. The promise was made and the brothers went against the Mob with a vengeance; that alone was enough to get him killed. It was Lyndon Johnson who gained the most, of course. Before the hit, he was on his way to jail over the Texas grain deals he had made a fortune on. Afterwards, with the help of his buddy J. Edgar Hoover, he was able to talk the Senate out of bringing him up on charges. Today, as I look at the presidents since JFK, I don’t think he was all that bad. Certainly, he did not deserve a death sentence for his shortcomings. <br /> <br />This book is the carnival connection to the John F. Kennedy, Jr. killing as I lived it. We’ll take a look at carnivals, mercenary adventures, alphabet agencies and their agents, circus types, and other misfits. The title The Men That Don’t Fit In comes from Robert Service, and like the men he met in the Yukon, it fits the characters herein. Most of us were out to save the world but made a wrong turn by joining those who would enslave it and us all. It was as hard then as it is now to tell beforehand which is which.<br /> <br />But on with the show!<br />-------------------------------------<br /><br />Exclusive interview and group discussion with Rod MacKenzie:<br /><br />http://www.radio4all.net/index.php/program/33211ConspiraZine!http://www.blogger.com/profile/01517935464511953712noreply@blogger.com2tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-820436948915789019.post-76224140927716075762009-05-02T14:20:00.000-07:002009-05-02T15:13:22.121-07:00From Korea to Korporate Amerika: The Manchurian Candidate (2004)<a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi6KbzuPHp5zLaPRMOGW5j4dq3S1nna6wE0Fkvw3TQgCWEl7vwef1ZzOJroi34gNyVkComO7m5QxUHAoP6lAeeOKp2vSX-ZejHFAUS-Dk3BYLqz5YJPVKaizdlYES5Hr_zTtzdqEtG9CWc/s1600-h/manchurain+candidate+2004.jpg"><img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5331353104936074194" style="FLOAT: left; MARGIN: 0px 10px 10px 0px; WIDTH: 85px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 127px" alt="" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi6KbzuPHp5zLaPRMOGW5j4dq3S1nna6wE0Fkvw3TQgCWEl7vwef1ZzOJroi34gNyVkComO7m5QxUHAoP6lAeeOKp2vSX-ZejHFAUS-Dk3BYLqz5YJPVKaizdlYES5Hr_zTtzdqEtG9CWc/s320/manchurain+candidate+2004.jpg" border="0" /></a><br /><div>Movie review by Columbia Jones<br />Directed by Jonathan Demme<br /><br /><br />…Unfortunately, Demme gets a little too carried away with other, less inspired revisions, subjecting this "Candidate's" A-list cast to B-movie machinations such as secret labs behind bedroom walls, credibility-stretching sci-fi brain implants, villainous mad scientists with vague accents and Nazi comb-overs, and gimmicky, overly convenient plot devices that defy common sense.1<br /><br />The 2004 remake of John Frankenheimer’s 1962 <em>Manchurian Candidate</em> leap frogs over the comfortable old Cold War conception that “brainwashing” was something foreigners did to “our boys,” then lands on both feet in the boardrooms of corporate America. Implausible? Hardly. In an era wherein corporations rule nations and create wars to fill the coffers of weapons manufacturers and reconstruction contracts, buying mind-controlled killers and leaders has only awaited the technology. Science fiction? Not at all. And while <em>The Manchurian Candidate</em> is fictional, what it alludes to is not.<br /></div><br /><br /><div>First of all, the choice of director indicates more than entertainment fare. Jonathan Demme’s award-winning, insightful documentaries such as <em>Swimming to Cambodia</em> and the recently released <em>The Agronomist</em>, coupled with thoughtful films such as <em>Beloved, Philadelphia</em>, and <em>The Silence of the Lambs</em>, indicate that he is interested in probing boundaries, including (one might assume) the boundaries between corporations, politics, and the covert technology of mind control. Not a science fiction film in the bunch.<br /></div><br /><br /><div>Secondly, contrary to the fluff that passes for film reviews (such as the review the quote above is from), films that shape public opinion about hot topics are exceedingly interesting to governments. Heinrich Goebbels, Hitler’s propaganda minister, understood this tenet of social engineering well and was a master at implanting repetitious words and symbols in film and newsprint that would stir the emotions he was after. Reach into the memory hole and pull out the BBC article, “<a name="OLE_LINK1">Army turns to Hollywood</a> for advice” (October8, 2001): “American intelligence specialists are reported to have ‘secretly’sought advice on handling terrorist attacks from Hollywood film-makers.”2 George W. Bush sat on the board of Silver Screen Management, Colin Powell on the board of Time-Warner. Since 1991, the CIA has had its own Entertainment Liaison Officer.3 And remember the release of <em>Black Hawk Down</em>, the blatant re-write of American involvement in Somalia? The film’sWashington premiere was attended by VP Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Oliver North, and a division of generals.4<br /></div><br /><br /><div>The truth is that Hollywood and the Pentagon have been tight since long before 9/11:<br />Hollywood film-makers have frequently changed plot lines, altered history and amended scripts at the request of the Pentagon, according to recently released military documents. Producers and directors have often agreed to changes in order to gain access to expensive military hardware or to be able to film on military property.<br /></div><br /><br /><div>On many occasions films have been changed so that the US armed forces are shown in a more heroic fashion. Film companies agree to the changes because doing so saves them millions in production costs. If film-makers do not agree to alterations, assistance is withheld.5<br /><br />Films that have won Pentagon approval are <em>Armageddon, Air Force One, The Jackal, Top Gun</em>, <em>Pearl Harbor, Bad Company</em>; films that haven’t, <em>The Thin Red Line, Apocalypse Now, Sergeant</em> <em>Bilko, Platoon, Independence Day, SpyGame</em>. I wonder how the new Manchurian Candidate stands. </div><br /><br /><div></div><br /><br /><div>The Institute for Creative Technologies is even scarier. An interactive virtual-reality warfare simulation center and think-tank in Marina Del Ray, operated by the University of Southern California, ICT has been contracted by John Rendon, a “strategic communications” firm hired by the Pentagon, to come up with ways by which Hollywood might help the present antiterrorist war effort – to the tune of $45 million. At its 1999 inaugural banquet, Jack Valenti, president of Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA), was keynote speaker. His opening volley was, “Los Angeles is not the entertainment capital of the world. (Pause.) Washington, D.C. is the entertainment capital of the world!” (Laughter.)6 Much food for thought here.<br /></div><br /><br /><div>Thirdly, this remake of <em>The Manchurian Candidate</em> is not just entertainment because – well, because of Liev Schreiber.7 <em>In The Sum of All Fears</em> (2002), a Tom Clancy spinoff in which the nation and its leaders are caught off guard by a terrorist attack, Schreiber [which means writer in German] played CIA agent John Clark. Completed before 9/11, the film was however not released until thefollowing May. Its premiere in Washington, D.C. was attended by the vice chair ofthe Joint Chiefs of Staff and secretaries of the Navy and Air Force. – In otherwords, <em>The Sum</em> was one of the first films to come out of the post-9/11 joint venture between Hollywood and the Pentagon and was probably therefore on the “approved” list. Schreiber’s character – whom many believe was stronger than Ben Affleck’s Jack Ryan – was coached by (who else?) the CIA. Schreiber: “We also had an actual Agency officer, a guy named Chase Brandon, who was a field op for about 20 or 30 years. He was our technical consultant on the film and he would show me some things.”8 This is how thingsare done now. The Pentagon and CIA wisely follow Goebbels’ lead.<br /></div><br /><br /><div>In essence, the new <em>Manchurian Candidate</em> is a fictional plot that attempts to envision the danger that powerful global interests – amalgams of economic and political interest – might represent for nations. Ever since ancient Greek drama, good fiction has attempted to reflect probable realities so that the body politiccan emotionally experience and examine their complexities. Demme seeks to do just this in <em>Manchurian Candidate</em> while treading a delicate(Pentagon?) line.<br /></div><br /><br /><div>Frank Sinatra and the influences behind him recognized how real were the concerns brought up by novelist Richard Condon’s vision of a Cold War truth, which may be why, after John F. Kennedy’s assassination – an assassination engineered by several crosswires of Manchurian Global-like interests, an assassination that made use of a “lone nut” –Sinatra bought up the rights to the film he had starred in and shelved it for a quarter of a century.<br /></div><br /><br /><div>Though still labeled a “political satire,” the 1962 <em>Manchurian Candidate</em> was for a long time in a category all byitself. Now,it has been joined by its present reincarnation. Both may be political thrillers, but because they are about the ultra-secret “psy-ops” technology of mind control, they are in a small club, indeed.<br /></div><br /><br /><div>Now, forty years after Sinatra did his military and intelligence friends a favor by burying the greatest role he everplayed until they deemed the American people “ready” to see it, even a remake has been allowed. Why?<br /></div><br /><br /><div>Because the public’s ability to read fiction’s images and symbols is finally disabled after years of “entertainment,” so there is no longer any danger in revealing the truth, as long as it is revealed in the guise of fiction. Turn the truth into entertainment and watch literalist critics like Blackwelder interpret a director’s bold attempt to choreograph sophisticated mind control technology and its side effects of lost time and dreamscapes as mere sci-fi “B-movie machinations.” No, Mr. Blackwelder, it is your perception that is B-grade. Arthur C. Clarke’s sage insight now falls on deaf ears: “Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.”<br /></div><br /><br /><div>This public process of mind control – perception control – is what Michael A. Hoffman explores in his excellent little book, <em>Secret Societies and Psychological Warfare</em> 9. The remake of <em>The</em> <em>Manchurian Candidate</em> goes further than its predecessor in revealing just how this magical technology is done because no one will take it seriously today; everyone will just watch and think it’s science fiction. Now you see the truth, now you don’t.<br /></div><br /><br /><div>Whether Demme intended it or not, several features of the new Manchurian Candidate’s plot beg to be noticed: A connection between the 1991 Gulf War and South Africa? The evil South African doctor (played by Simon McBurney) has been hired by Manchurian Global to kidnapand program both Major Ben Marco (Denzel Washington) and Sergeant Raymond Shaw (Liev Schreiber) during their tour of duty in Kuwait 1991. One is to be programmed as a “lone nut” expendable for one hit only, the other for President of the United States. While it is now public knowledge that the U.S. government and U.S.-based corporations colluded on biological/ chemical warfare research with South Africa, I wonder: did some of their “research” end up as the Gulf War syndrome?<br /></div><br /><br /><div>Childhood is when we are politically programmed. In the elementary school where the voting polls have been set up, children are on stage, dressed up as Abraham Lincoln, Martin Luther King, etc., and enacting a patriotic American drama very different from the one we are viewing. Despite the fact that both versions of <em>Manchurian Candidate</em> indicate that Marco’s and Shaw’s programming occurred only during their adult years in a war abroad, those familiar with mind control programming know that the stage for adult programming is set during childhood.<br /></div><br /><br /><div>The necessity of incest or sexual abuse to mind control programming. The Oedipal scene between Raymond and his mother, Senator Eleanor Prentiss Shaw (MerylStreep), during which he sits like a young Adonis being groomed by her, impeccably reveals the incest bond essential to exploiting inner violence and turning it outward. Though the film would have us believe that Senator Shaw only recently sold her son’s mind – and freedom – to Manchurian Global, the truth is that it occurred long before in order to create the psychological profile that the South African doctor could properly exploit.<br /></div><br /><br /><div>Two programming tracks. Raymond’s programming was total and therefore required a lifetime overhaul of everything he would have been but would now not be allowed to be, whereas Major Marco’s programming was the typical torture-hypnosis-drugs programming that all expendable “lone nut” assassins undergo. Demme hinted at Raymond’s innumerable “tune-ups” in the scene in which he is triggered by a phone call to enter a dreamscape self-abduction from his hotel room via mirror programming (symbolized by the magnificent wall mirror within a mirror within a mirror over the bed) and make his way magically to the operating theatre. Demme’s portrayal of Raymond as the programmed victim who has learned, after years of such “procedures,” to be obedient and smile at every horror,was accurate and heart-rending. Major Marco’s programming, on the other hand, was not nearly as comprehensive because he would be used only once and then dispensed with, as are all “lone nut” assassins.<br /></div><br /><br /><div>Corporations and governments. This unhappy courtship has been going on since before outgoing President Eisenhower tried to warn the nation about the increasing power of the military-industrial complex. Now that the marriage has been consummated and we have been screwed, mind control technology is becoming but another commodity available on the world market to the highest bidders. This reality endangers all governments and their citizens. <em>The Manchurian</em> <em>Candidate</em> sets this problem squarely before us. The future has arrived, science fiction be damned.<br /></div><br /><br /><div>"Fortunate Son.” Not only was this the title of a 1999 biography on George W. Bush 10– the author, James Howard Hatfield, 43, purportedly committed suicide two years after the book came out – but it was also a 1970 song by John Fogerty. The film closes with this song blasting:<br /><br /><em>Fortunate Son</em> by John Fogerty<br /><br />Some folks are born made to wave the flag,<br />Ooh, they're red,white and blue.<br />And when the band plays "Hail to the chief"<br />they point the cannon right at you.<br /><br />It ain't me,<br />it ain't me.<br />I ain't no senator's son.<br />It ain't me,<br />it ain't me.<br />I ain't no fortunate one…<br /><br />For those in the know about the great technical strides mind control programming has made in the past decades, Demme’s <em>Manchurian Candidate</em> gets closer to the truth than any film so far –so close, in fact, that those who have been its unwilling guinea pigs would be well advised to see the film with a friend, given that it is loaded with triggers, particularly telephone and mirroring triggers. After viewing it the first time, I came out shaking and wondering if subliminals had been used. The second time was easier and I was able to be more objective. Caveat vidor.<br />Though many movie goers will not grasp the political imperative hidden in the nightmarish folds of The Manchurian Candidate’s plot, others will. Do not be deceived by the sheen of the incredible. (Rememberthe Arthur C. Clarke rubric.) This technology exists and is now passing from military and intelligence agencies to global corporations and consortiums. </div><br /><br /><div></div><br /><br /><div>It’s a brave new world in which everything is for sale, even fortunate sons.<br /><br /><strong>Notes</strong><br />1.From“Conspiracy Dreary,” film review by Rob Blackwelder<br /><a href="http://www.splicedonline.com/04reviews/manchurian04.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.splicedonline.com/04reviews/manchurian04.html</a><br />2. <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/film/1586468.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/film/1586468.stm</a><br />3. Alex Constantine, “Collateral Brain Damage: The Hollywood Propaganda Ministry,” High Times, July 2003.<br />4.Ibid.<br />5. Duncan Campbell, “Top Gun versus Sergeant Bilko? No contest, says the Pentagon,” The Guardian, August 29, 2001.<br />6. James Der Derian, “9.11: Dreams, Lies, and Videotapes,” <a href="http://www.watsoninstitute.org/infopeace/911/jdd%20videos.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.watsoninstitute.org/infopeace/911/jdd%20videos.html</a><br />7. Schreiber’s biography and family background are intriguing. (Is he an MK himself?) See <a href="http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0000630/bio" rel="nofollow">http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0000630/bio</a>.<br /><a href="http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/361/361108p1.html" rel="nofollow">http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/361/361108p1.html</a>.</div><br /><br /><div>8. Chase Brandon originally worked for the 8. CIA’s Public Affairs Office (PAO), then became Entertainment Liaison Officer in 1996. He is also Tommy Lee Jones’ cousin. (See Constantine, footnote 3.)<br />9. Michael A. Hoffman II, Secret Societies and Psychological Warfare (Independent History and Research, P.O. Box 849, Coeur d’Alene ID 83816; 1989).<br />10. James Howard Hatfield, Fortunate Son: George W. Bush and the Making of an American President (St. Martin’s Press, 1999; Soft Skull Press, 2001). </div>ConspiraZine!http://www.blogger.com/profile/01517935464511953712noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-820436948915789019.post-14332344464396989992009-04-19T20:59:00.000-07:002009-04-19T21:03:35.977-07:00Interview with Jaye Beldo<a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhWmFJhrd3g_I_zpobkmsKLEBEFJEhzxyFQGuxKxP85Q__cPtvsw3EjhcsMt7A_gd7PyOKC3XlrOm2Tv6UdWmNX5FlHkaoYbBmhrISYzBno0ukfg-fJytwt2ofXm77t09LLNaEv7EzDHjU/s1600-h/Jaye+Beldo.jpg"><img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer; width: 200px; height: 218px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhWmFJhrd3g_I_zpobkmsKLEBEFJEhzxyFQGuxKxP85Q__cPtvsw3EjhcsMt7A_gd7PyOKC3XlrOm2Tv6UdWmNX5FlHkaoYbBmhrISYzBno0ukfg-fJytwt2ofXm77t09LLNaEv7EzDHjU/s320/Jaye+Beldo.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5326618998300847618" border="0" /></a><br />Jaye Beldo, artist, musician, psychic and conspiracy writer, talks about his life as an MKULTRA mind control survivor. 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Our email is conspirazine@yahoo.com.<br /><br />ConspiraZine - more conspiracy, less theory!</div>ConspiraZine!http://www.blogger.com/profile/01517935464511953712noreply@blogger.com2tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-820436948915789019.post-23692657288826096152008-12-21T18:51:00.000-08:002008-12-22T20:14:06.368-08:00Interview with Kathleen Sullivan by Elana Freeland<a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjCLDar2HoPDoTgXfC9PGK3IHARsF4fPwSE54CPLuFW_pPgcMXPFRuMy1TLzn5VvKZbdfUyX927YaFA6bnoEbuRx-CJQCNJhBtRGxg5xkor_uF8kcMBv2LZkeJoluJnljQhH1GE7vE8IYY/s1600-h/unshackled.jpg"><img style="margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; float: right; cursor: pointer; width: 128px; height: 186px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjCLDar2HoPDoTgXfC9PGK3IHARsF4fPwSE54CPLuFW_pPgcMXPFRuMy1TLzn5VvKZbdfUyX927YaFA6bnoEbuRx-CJQCNJhBtRGxg5xkor_uF8kcMBv2LZkeJoluJnljQhH1GE7vE8IYY/s320/unshackled.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5282833969844706050" border="0" /></a><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;"></span><span style="font-style: italic;">Wrapped around me like a shame blanket</span><br /><span style="font-style: italic;">stench of old semen mixed with filth</span><br /><span style="font-style: italic;">encrusted feces</span><br /><span style="font-style: italic;">dried salt trails down my face</span><br /><span style="font-style: italic;">eyes red and irritated</span><br /><span style="font-style: italic;">ashamed so ashamed</span><br /><span style="font-style: italic;">ever ashamed</span><br /><br /> From “Mary Magdalene” by Kathleen Sullivan <br /><br /><br /><br />E: You say in your book Unshackled: A Survivor’s Story of Mind Control (Tempe AZ: Dandelion Books, 2003): “Because many of these slaves’ bonds and chains are mental, they are invisible and difficult to prove in a court of law.” What do you think will have to happen in the courts in order to catch up with the criminal technology of mind control?<br /><br />K: I read that in France they made mind control illegal. That would be a very nice start here.<br /><br />E: And they have the means to enforce it?<br /><br />K: Yes. What I keep thinking about is how are we going to prove that someone’s in control? Now, you can prove a person has multiple personality disorder or DID because you can show -- I believe it’s with an MRI -- when the different parts of the brain are active, you can show that their personality is fragmented. But how do you prove that another person is pushing the button? So we’ve got a long, long ways to go on that one.<br /><br />E: Actually, there’s an article in the Fall/Winter 2003 mkzine by Cheryl Welsh about literally how hopeless it looks in jurisprudence. I cannot imagine how justice for present mind control victims can be obtained under the present system.<br /><br />K: If you look at a situation where the person is living with the controller and witnesses can testify who have watched the controller manipulate the victim, break them down or whatever...<br /><br />E: In one of your moving journaled childhood memories you say,<br /><br />“Pain, isolation, deprivation. Torture, training, total isolation. In a dark, not black, soundless box made of metal. Dad poured his pain into me [via electrical torture]. I became the repository for his pain. Pain kills. I was alone in that box, no one to talk to, no one who cared. NO ONE. He was master of horrors. He cut the kitten open alive starting with its sweet tender stomach. It trusted him. It trusted him and he killed it. He said he was teaching me not to care. Then he put me in the box too small to stand in. I had to sit in it. One side open.<br /> “I saw the lab. I saw my father. The box was my only respite. And he let me decide when to come out again. He kept busy and patiently waited until I decided to come out again -- to HIM. He forced me to choose to come to him, to be with him, no matter what pain he gave me. I became Frankenstein’s lab assistant. His creation. Cold. Uncaring. Wooden. You are what is done to you. Do unto others what was done unto you; give out as has been given unto you. These were Satan’s laws and he was Satan in the flesh. Satan is human pain-giving. Hate hate hate let the whole world hate. Kill kill kill let the whole world kill... all should have to feel as I feel and yet it is never enough. Never enough. I’m always back in the box. With the knowing and the pain.”<br /><br />E: That’s quite a beautiful piece of writing.<br /><br />K: [Softly] A child part wrote that.<br /><br />E: Why do some who have these terrible things done to them not become what was done unto them?<br /><br />K: This is a touchy subject for some survivors. I think that it’s impossible not to at least on the inside become a perpetrator to some degree. I think the question is whether we act out what’s on the inside. I talked to the head of ISSD (International Society for the Study of Dissociation) -- excuse me, we wrote back and forth -- and he had done an article about when therapists are working with dissociated survivors how they must understand that there are going to be parts of those survivors who are perpetrator parts. Now, that does not mean they act out what’s in those parts. In my situation, I did because my father and the others deliberately created these parts to compartmentalize those feelings and thoughts, to pull out later and use later to hurt other people. I might have done it anyway if they had not been compartmentalized. I don’t know. It’s almost because they kept them separated from the rest of me and kept them controlled, I had the luxury of saying I didn’t do it out of my free will, but had they not done that, I might have been a perpetrator, I don’t know. I know that there is another point: people like my father chose to hurt people. He had a choice. He could have somehow gotten help, but he chose to do it. He chose to put out what, I believe, had been done to him, and there are a lot of people who simply choose not to, and sometimes they pay a great price for it, whether it’s self-harm or whatever. It’s very difficult holding it in.<br /><br />E: When you say “He chose,” is there an age at which he chose, or are you saying it was a consistent choice on his part? It seems to me the father you describe in the book is a man who enjoys the pain he gives out. Where did he cross over into being like that?<br /><br />K: (Laughs) Let’s just say I knew a male who had a very strong influence on my dad’s life who was also a sadist. I believe that Dad was physically abused as a child, and there are pieces of information I’ve gotten from other relatives about things they know were done to my father that were really brutal. Where Dad turned and started inflicting it on others, I really don’t know. I’ve talked with therapists who have worked with people like my dad and they say usually by the time they’re an older child, they’re starting.<br /><br />E: Twelve, thirteen?<br /><br />K: Even younger.<br /><br />E: In your opinion, does it have anything to do with being male or female and the different sorts of training that go into the two?<br /><br />K: I think males in general tend more to inflict outwards and females tend more to take it on themselves, especially with self-mutilation, that’s the big one but anorexia and bulemia, too, or going into one bad relationship after another, you know -- perpetrators who are the husbands or partners or whatever. In my case, I by choice did that. I picked partners who were harmful to me, but then again the perpetrators who were doing mind control used the parts that they had compartmentalized in order to do it to others. I had both inside of me. Again, had I not been controlled, I might have just kept turning it in on myself, although I was abusive to my daughter and that’s a very sad thing.<br /><br />E: And you do talk about that in your book. It is sad. You can’t get out of this unscathed.<br /><br />K: No.<br /><br />E: I too feel that there is a choice at some point that even an individual under severe torture still has a choice [to become a perpetrator or not] to some point, but beyond that point they may not.<br /><br />K: Right. There is a point where anyone can be broken, and I learned that the hard way.<br /><br />E: The scene of your Baby Rose’s murder is, for me, one of the two most moving scenes in the book. (The other is your witnessing your father’s death.) Everything that is decent and human in me cries out, How can this practice of child sacrifice even occur? And what is gained by doing such a horrible act to an innocent? You say in the book, “I believe Dad tried to murder my goodness that day, to make me like him.” Is that why this horrible crime continues even today? To utterly destroy the good in human beings?<br /><br />K: [Softly] Yes. I believe that people like my dad have tremendous self-hatred but can’t recognize it, and so they have to put that hatred on the next generation of victims. I think they hate themselves for having been victimized -- for whatever reasons, they took on the hatred that their perpetrators put on them. They took it inside. They don’t want to own it so they have to put it on the next set of children, the next set of victims -- either that, or I think they would self-destruct because the hatred is so tremendously destructive and painful.<br /><br />E: So to enact the sacrifice of a baby in front of children being conditioned is probably the most heinous thing that I can imagine.<br /><br />K: Oh yeah, because it’s controlled and yet it’s also a reenactment. To me, that’s the most bizarre thing of the whole thing. They’re not only gratifying their own selves and keeping themselves dissociated from their own self-hatred, but they’re also traumatizing children for the express purpose of dissociating them and preparing them for future use. It’s insane, it’s total insanity to me.<br /><br />E: You’ve probably heard the Joan Baez song “Play Me Backwards” --<br /><br />K: I’ve read a few lyrics but I haven’t really heard the whole thing.<br /><br />E: -- because she refers to Baby Rose in her song as well.<br /><br />K: Oh, my gosh. Rose wasn’t my baby daughter’s legal name because I transferred the same name to the daughter that Dad gave me afterward and I want to protect her identity. But Rose is a name that was often used in cult rituals. There’s a singer who came out with a song about five years ago about a kiss from the rose on the grave or something like that -- every time I heard that song, I think my God, that’s straight occult. [Laughs] I go into trance every time I hear it. I realized in a way that roses are a beautiful thing to me because good ones have a gorgeous smell, and my baby’s breath smelled like a flower, and so that’s why I called her Rose.<br /><br />E: You also describe how your hatred of your father for killing Baby Rose fueled your “Nikita” assassin alter that worked for the federal government. Do you suppose a similar form of abuse is used to traumatize men in Special Forces?<br /><br />K: I’m convinced of it. I have talked to enough of them now, the traumas that they are put through even during their training to break them down are severe. They’re bullied unbelievably, sleep-deprived, everything possible is done to them. They’re pushed to the point beyond pain. That anger’s got to go somewhere. My husband was pretty much conditioned the same way, so I know from his own experiences, yes.<br /><br />E: So I wonder how far their training goes. The bullying and pain -- do you think they’re dissociated as well by trauma?<br /><br />K: Absolutely. The other thing, too is that for a long time -- I don’t know how common it is now -- it seemed like they were choosing men who were already dissociated in childhood.<br /><br />E: By means of that battery of tests that new recruits take?<br /><br />K: Exactly. Of course, then they can create alter states in those men that are easily controllable, based on their already having been dissociated. That was my husband’s experience.<br /><br />E: When you talk about the alter named Dark that internalized your father’s murderous personality, you talk about rage. What is the difference between an alter created out of rage and how altered people become by their own rage?<br /><br />K: [Laughs] Well, I can’t say that alter was created by rage but again what they did was they created an alter state and then it’s almost like they poured my rage into that part. I’m not quite sure I can explain how they did it. But they tortured me severely -- I mean, there’s torture and then there’s major torture. When they used electricity and kept breaking me to where I had no will left and almost had no mind left, that’s when they would create a part like that. Anytime a child or adult is tortured like that, it immediately creates tremendous rage, a rage that can’t go anywhere because they’re a total victim at that time. So it goes down inside like a volcano waiting to erupt. They know that and so they’ll pull out that alter state later and sic it on whoever. The rage is just incredible.<br /> So when [an unprogrammed person] is in an altered state because they’re rageful, I don’t think there’s too much difference.<br /><br />E: Certainly people become “altered” by rage.<br /><br />K: It’s a totally different part of their personality.<br /><br />E: You say that your ops-trained alter-states were created through extreme torture and then that “Because they were blank slate alter-states, they didn’t have my morals.” What does a blank slate alter mean, and how does it differ from other alters?<br /><br />K: My dad and some of the other people taught -- I can’t remember the name of that psychiatrist who had the ducks walking after him and imprinting on him -- Lorenz?<br /><br />E: Could be. I just remember Jolly West and the elephants.<br /><br />K: [Laughs] What [Konrad Lorenz] discovered was that when the ducks were first hatched, he was the first thing they saw and so they imprinted his personality and actions. What my dad and the men working with him figured out was if they could break a child down through severe torture -- and usually for me it was electrical -- to the point where the child completely went amnesiac, what would happen next is that the part of the mind that would come out would have no memory other than the most basic things like breathing, possibly knowing how to use utensils to eat -- in fact, that’s why ECT [electroconvulsive therapy] is sometimes so effective, it does the same thing basically.<br /><br />E: Just wipes the slate clean?<br /><br />K: Exactly. Then that part of the mind that becomes conscious and has just the very basic abilities -- maybe in the brain stem -- that part is going to imprint on what that part first sees, and for me a lot of times it was the men in the laboratory and they were all sociopaths, so my blank slate alter states became sociopaths like them. Very effective.<br /><br />E: And that was used for your special ops kind of training?<br /><br />K: Exactly.<br /><br />E: When talking about your handlers, you mention that they always did a full body search to make sure that your op alters hadn’t hidden any clues or secret messages for you to find back home. What does this say about alters? Are they always trying to get better, too, despite their programming?<br /><br />K: First, I need to clarify ops versus black ops. There were parts of me that did other things besides killing and really dastardly stuff, and these were the parts that would try to leave a message for me. Those were the parts that because they were not blank slate alter states, they had some awareness of my life. They might not remember where I had lived but they had a sense of who and what I was as a person, as far as my morality and what was important to me and what was not. They had some of me in them, too, a sense of goodness. So those parts knew I existed and knew that I was the one that could make the decisions that might change things, and so they would leave the messages for me. Does that make sense?<br /><br />E: Yes, and it’s kind of strange, isn’t it, that all these different parts of the self are in there, and that even the ones that have dissociated and haven’t been present for a lot of other things still want to get better. That’s really remarkable.<br /><br />K: And a lot of them didn’t like what they were being used to do. They wanted out but didn’t have any way out, except to tell me.<br /><br />E: And when you say ‘me,’ you mean --<br /><br />K: As the host alter state, the part that was usually conscious.<br /><br />E: Is that what some call the executive function?<br /><br />K: I’ve never heard that one before.<br /><br />E: The executive function is the one that can ‘Hi, how are you?’ at the grocery store and no one would guess. So that’s the one, the host alter.<br /><br />K: Uh-huh.<br /><br />E: In 1989, your father was finally indicted on child molestation, after which he slit his wrists. You said that after he got out of the hospital, he went to a conference at Disney World in Orlando, Florida, and then home to spend several days with his childhood family. Do you feel that these two journeys represented a “tune up” or reprogramming effort on someone’s part of your dad?<br /><br />K: I wish I knew. I wish I could have been a fly on the wall during that time. I have talked to quite a few mind-control survivors who’ve said that when they were to be reprogrammed they were taken either to Disney World or Disneyland. I’m not necessarily saying it happened within the park, but there was some kind of activity going on in those areas. It may be partly because when you go to a place like that, if you’re dissociative, the child parts are going to come out. [Laughs] You are most vulnerable if you’re dissociative when you go to a place like that. It would have been very easy for someone to have gotten hold of my dad, especially as he went there as part of his work. So other people that he was connected to at work knew he was there, and they had been there also. There’s no telling. As far as going to Pennsylvania to visit his family, his parents were dead but there were several male relatives from his age group who are also full-fledged perpetrators who could have done something. I really don’t know.<br /><br />E: Would you say that all sociopaths like your father are raised by means of ritualized pain and fear?<br /><br />K: Define what you mean by ritualized.<br /><br />E: Not necessarily satanic but something that is rhythmic, such as every birthday, every saint’s day, every Christmas, etc.<br /><br />K: I don’t think so. The reason I’m saying that is again I’ve talked with one therapist in particular who works with sociopaths. She said what really will do it to them is they have a parent that they’re very dependent on who at times will be doting and caring, then will turn around and be cold and put a distance between themselves and the child. It’s the back-and-forth that’s crazy-making, and the instability is the basis for the child becoming a sociopath if that parent is really, really abusive. I was really shocked to learn that. Maybe one reason I didn’t become a sociopath was because neither one of my parents was ever caring toward me. That may have saved me.<br /><br />E: So you’re saying that with sociopaths it would be that crazy-making back-and-forth, but not necessarily pain and torture.<br /><br />K: Yes, but there would definitely be abuse involved.<br /><br />E: Physical abuse?<br /><br />K: I would say so, yes, and certainly mental.<br /><br />E: Do you think men tend to become sociopaths more than women?<br /><br />K: Yes, I do.<br /><br />E: And that’s because, as you said before, men are more extrovertive, more externalizing?<br /><br />K: Right, although I have met female sociopaths, and that concerns me that people are not aware that females can also become this way. It frightens me because they get away with it because people don’t know to look for it.<br /><br />E: After Operation Paperclip, do you feel that the Nazis have continued their Third Reich here in America?<br /><br />K: Absolutely.<br /><br />E: And how have they been able to pull that off?<br /><br />K: Well, by making buddies with the right people to start off with. It reminds me of World War Two when the OSS recruited mafia figures in Italy and several other countries who then came to the US afterwards and set up shop by developing their own operations, then the FBI covered for them for God knows how long and still does. People finally became aware of the reality of the mafia, even though for a while the FBI kept saying it didn’t exist. But the biggest secret behind that is that the Nazis have also been active in our country since at least World War Two.<br /><br />E: I understand they’ve gone corporate now.<br /><br />K: Yeah, and they scare the heck out of me. Most of the men who came over through Paperclip are dead, but they have recruited young people who for whatever reason are very strongly into being Aryans. I won’t say who, but there is a female teenager in Atlanta who was going to meetings with other young teenagers who were Aryan skinheads, and there was a man coming over once a week from Germany to teach them the Nazi ways. So even that’s still going on. But my concern is that a lot of the Nazis that my dad was associated with had infiltrated NASA and the CIA and were making major changes for their own benefit.<br /><br />E: There are several good books out now on Paperclip --<br /><br />K: Linda Hunt’s is the best.<br /><br />E: Reinhard Gehlen, SS Nazi in charge of the Eastern Front, was invited by Allen Dulles to convert the OSS into the CIA --<br /><br />K: I didn’t know that!<br /><br />E: -- and knowing what I know about their recruitment efforts, I tend to think of them as primarily a Nazi organization.<br /><br />K: I do, too.<br /><br />E: Why is it so wonderful and lucrative for the CIA, Nazis, mafia, etc. to pursue mind control?<br /><br />K: I think it’s a joke when people say that the mafia protects their families. Oh no they don’t! The children are usually the first victims when it comes to mind control, and part of it is the children will keep the family secret. What they don’t remember, they can’t tell. Also, I think because some of these individuals, mostly men but again some women, are just real into control. They are addicted to controlling others. I think the biggest excitement they can ever get in their personal lives is to have a slave. It’s also a status symbol among a lot of them, especially in the US where slavery is illegal. If they’re sociopaths, they get a thrill out of that because they’re doing what’s illegal and getting away with it. Then there’s the fact that they’re able to use us to do illegal activities for them and if we get caught, we do the time and they get away free to use other slaves and continue their illegal activity. It’s like the perfect crime because there’s nothing physical that can connect us back to them. I believe that’s what happened with [Timothy] McVeigh, by the way.<br /><br />E: In what way?<br /><br />K: Considering the fact that he was in what was called Elohim, the neo-nazi organization before he allegedly did the bombing, and before that he had been trained as a special ops sniper -- I believe that was in the Army. I’m sorry, it just stinks to high heaven. He had also worked as a guard at Calspan which was involved in some technology that’s used in mind control. The threads are just all over the place.<br /><br />E: David Hoffman wrote a book about that [The Oklahoma City Bombing and the Politics of Terror, with a foreword by Rep. Charles Key (Feral House, 1998)] and made every connection but the mind control connection.<br /><br />K: Alex Constantine wrote some about it and got a little braver than most.<br /><br />E: Yes, he did, and he paid for that bravery.<br /><br />K: Yes, he did.<br /><br />E: What are some of the names that Nazis might be calling themselves today?<br /><br />K: What they called themselves mostly at the meetings that I went to is simply Aryan. They don’t even like calling themselves white supremacists that much because that’s really an external term that’s put on them. They don’t like to consider that they are supremacists; they think that they’re the norm. There are different groups that you’ll hear about in the news, but what people don’t understand is that those are just the small eruptions from the underground. It’s a huge underground and each group has a separate name, and yet they network together very closely. National Alliance is very active in our area and do a lot of recruiting through skä music, their website, one-on-one, etc.<br /><br />E: We already agreed that the Third Reich has continued in America, but if it’s the Third Reich that I’m thinking of, they are not really going to be compromising with Freemasons, Jesuits, mafia, and other groups presently getting along together for the sake of their great enterprise. Doesn’t the Third Reich want to have top priority in America?<br /><br />K: Absolutely. They want to rule, that’s the bottom line. They want to be in control and they want to rule the world. Ever since I met these people, that was their goal. They would do whatever it takes to get there.<br /><br />E: How do you feel they’re doing in America now? Are they succeeding?<br /><br />K: No, I don’t think they are, although I am concerned about who we have in high office right now. [Laughs] I’m very concerned because of who his father is and his father’s connections to them. They’re just like any other group that wants to have control: they’re going to put their people in positions of power and influence. So a lot of times, because they’ve put their people in certain positions it looks like they’re succeeding, but then I look at all the other people who are not part of their system and it helps me to keep a balance in my own mind about this stuff, because otherwise, honey, I wouldn’t even try to live. If I really thought they were running the world, I’d just check out, I really would because I can’t take that anymore.<br /><br />E: Mind control strikes me as a tremendous ace in the hole --<br /><br />K: For now, because not enough people know about it and because through the False Memory Syndrome Foundation and a few other agencies they’ve been managing to keep people in the dark about what’s really going on. But I don’t think that’s going to continue.<br /><br />E: Why?<br /><br />K: Because the survivors won’t let it. [Laughs] We’re fed up, we’re tired, we’re angry, and we’re not going to shut up. We’re getting smarter, we’re getting more organized, and they’re getting exposed for who and what they really are. So I’m convinced the tide will be turning pretty soon.<br /> The other thing, too, is that we’re realizing this is a huge civil rights issue and that’s an angle we hadn’t considered. We’ve been so busy trying to educate people about mind control and ritual abuse that we didn’t realize it’s a civil rights issue for us. That puts a new face on it that ought to be put on it, and I think that’s going to help people understand more that this is not about something spooky and eerie and bizarre; this is a civil rights issue that needs to be addressed.<br /><br />E: I wholeheartedly agree. While reading your book, I noticed that both of your cover jobs were for insurance companies. Do you have any reason to believe the insurance industry is complicit with some of the cults who accessed you?<br /><br />K: I’ve talked with other survivors and it’s surprising how many of them worked for insurance agencies that were aware they were being used to do things that were kind of odd. [Laughs] One of the companies I worked for -- and I won’t say which company -- had a huge Florida account called Homebuilders that was used for laundering money. I’m not quite sure who it was laundered for, but my guess would be the CIA. Huge premiums, fake policies which gave a reason for the money to be coming in, and I’m not quite sure where it went after that. So even though they were handling me and other people in the department and sending us out on ops, they were also using the company for that. I think it’s going to be harder to do that now because there’s more restriction on how much you can get away with in insurance, so I don’t know where that’s going to head.<br /><br />E: When you mention the retired Army general you call “Poppa” -- affiliated either with the Army’s ISA (Intelligence Support Activity) or the ASA (Army Security Agency) -- you introduce the interesting idea that alters of a mind-control slave can be used by warring factions, such as Operation Clean Sweep. How does that work?<br /><br />K: If they know that a person has multiple personalities or alter states being used and controlled, and if they know anything about how to use that technology, they can go into that person’s mind and if they can even talk to just one alter state that’s willing to talk to them, they can talk that alter state into working for them if they use the right techniques and persuasions. It’s not that hard to do. It was done to me and it was done to my husband, also. From what I’ve read about [Lee Harvey] Oswald, I’m pretty sure it was done to him back then, too. And I know from my dad that he had alter states that were also being run by an agency from another country. He had both sides going on, too. I think it’s a game for some of these guys. I think it’s fun for them, actually, just to see how they can get a person to be a double and even triple agent and not even know they’re an agent, at all.<br /><br />E: I picture them as being from different factions, all jockeying for position; even though they are going along with each other for the sake of the grand enterprise, they’re still competing.<br /><br />K: Right. They all have their little secret missions and plans, along with what they’ll allow the other groups to know.<br /><br />E: Because the pattern of an early marriage seems to be typical of many mind control victims, do you feel that your first husband, Albert, was actually chosen for you by someone, given that you were just graduating high school and your mother was about to divorce your father?<br /><br />K: I’m convinced of it because my first husband’s father and my dad were business partners in the black market. My first husband’s father announced that he was a Nazi immigrant. It’s too coincidental to be coincidental.<br /><br />E: As though to have a handler --<br /><br />K: Exactly.<br /><br />E: Was your first husband ritually abused as well?<br /><br />K: Ritually, I don’t know, but his father was incredibly abusive mentally and I believe physically. He was a hard-core sadistic Nazi, and my first husband was really messed up from him and seriously hated the man. In fact, my first husband’s siblings told me they had absolute hatred for the man, and for a child to get that way a lot has to be done to the child for the child to have that kind of a hatred when they grow up.<br /><br />E: Do you think your first husband was aware of this deal? Did he take you as a deal?<br /><br />K: Yes, I think he was very much aware because as time went on, he got to the point where he was taking me and my daughter to the Aryan meetings, and he was also taking me to a facility, a psychiatric hospital, where I was being reprogrammed. He knew exactly what he was doing. But I also believe that he was under a lot of pressure from my dad and probably some others. I think he was afraid for his life if he didn’t do what he was supposed to do with me. What’s interesting is [laughs] that he eventually went from Aryan to being the pastor of a black church. He turned around completely, so I think once he had free will he made some major changes in his life, and I think that’s wonderful.<br /><br />E: You say, “I’ve learned the hard way that when one marries a severely dissociated person, one may not marry all of the partner.” What do you mean when you say this?<br /><br />K: I know with my husband now, because he has alter states that are not the kind of alter states that commit to a marriage [laughs], he has had to keep real tight control on them, frankly, but because he’s older now and has a lot of physical problems, that hasn’t been as much of a problem. I had the same problem. When I found my alter states and they started coming out, they were like, ‘The hell! I’m not going to be married to this guy! I want to be free, I want to party.’ So it was very difficult for both of us -- his were coming out and mine were coming out, and some of them on both sides did not want to be married.<br /><br />E: [Laughs] It’s like having a whole baseball team married to each other.<br /><br />K: Oh Lord, yes. [Laughs] If we both didn’t have good therapists who understood how to work with this stuff, our marriage would not have survived, there’s no question about it.<br /><br />E: I wonder how many people are in that situation and don’t realize it.<br /><br />K: Oh, probably quite a few, and even when you do realize it, that doesn’t make it any easier. [Laughs]<br /><br />E: As you admit in your book, your present husband had spook alters, was in Special Forces and the Army for 30 years. Why are you sure he is not just your handler?<br /><br />K: He was at one point. I have remembered enough about him to know that even before we officially met at work, he had been one of my assigned handlers now and then, especially through the Army. So when I met him at an Aryan meeting and then several years later at work -- officially, consciously at work -- I was drawn to him. That’s that Stockholm Syndrome definitely. So it’s been a challenge because when I connected with my alter states that had known him in the past, I was absolutely terrified. I was like, ‘I have just made one of the biggest mistakes of my life.’ I covered this extensively with my therapist and insisted that he get into therapy with someone who knew how to work with people like him. So we went through a lot of therapy individually and as a couple. The most important thing I learned that I had to do was think for myself and make my own decisions. Even when he wasn’t handling me per se, he was still controlling me because he was from the Army -- oh, and I need to specify that I don’t know that he was ever in Special Forces but he had Special Forces training and he was used to do special ops, okay? He was used to being a controller and I was used to being controlled, and we both had to make some major, major changes. It ended up being a good thing because frankly it was exhausting for him to be controlling me. He never got to have his own life, he never got to have his own fun exploring what was important for him in life because he was so focused on me. So as I got stronger and learned to make decisions for myself, he was able to back off and relax and trust me to make my own decisions. Now, that does not mean that parts of him can’t be reaccessed again to try to mess with me, and I’m very much aware of that.<br /><br />E: And he is, too, I take it?<br /><br />K: Not as much as I am, unfortunately. He’s dropped out of therapy because he was having a lot of physical problems and to remember the traumas that created the alter states and deal with all the physical problems was way too much for him. So I’m a lot more on guard than he is, and there are several people locally who do occasionally try to push those buttons in him --<br /><br />E: Try to reaccess him?<br /><br />K: Oh yeah. I’ve had to work extensively with him to just recognize that these people are doing this to him. Unfortunately, because he’s not totally connected yet with those parts of him, it makes it very difficult for him to recognize it. It’s scary.<br /><br />E: That’s amazing that you can just keep going.<br /><br />K: [Laughs] It’s a lot of work, but I have also really grown to love him, I mean genuinely love him because except for my baby daughter, I never really felt strong love toward anyone. So I’m willing to go the extra mile for him.<br /><br />E: You said that your present husband Bill was able to discern the difference between a handler and a controlling person by assessing their odd and controlling behaviors, triggering phrases, government connections, and lack of emotional affect. Would you recommend these as criteria to others who get confused about the difference between a controlling person and a handler?<br /><br />K: I think they’re very helpful but I think it also takes having another person monitoring the situation because when you go into a trance state when you’re contacted by a person who is a handler, you can’t recognize all of that. Until you get away from that handler and sit down and analyze what that handler’s behaviors and actions have been, you can’t recognize it. That’s one of the things I worked on Bill a lot with. After he was contacted, he was in a trance state and didn’t realize what was going on. After the contact was over, I would sit down with him and ask him what he saw, what he heard, do you think this is appropriate, do you think this is normal, he sounds kind of abusive to me, what do you think -- you know.<br /><br />E: Had you been present at the contact or not?<br /><br />K: Oh yeah, and I would be infuriated because I knew exactly what they were doing, and a lot of times these people would smile while they were doing it. Oh! That more than anything angered me.<br /><br />E: And there’s so few ways to expose these people, aren’t there?<br /><br />K: Yeah, it’s very difficult. Again, because not enough people know how this works, how it’s done. The more people learn about it, the more they’ll know what to look for.<br /><br />E: They’re often community members, aren’t they?<br /><br />K: Oh yeah, and again it’s because these different groups will put their people in influential positions. They know how to live double lives, just like my dad very successfully lived a double life until he was arrested. He was an upstanding citizen, involved in several clubs and organizations that were for the welfare of the community. He was a church member, in the choir, led youth groups -- of course -- in church. He was just a wonderful man, so who would ever have thought he was raping and torturing and killing children. Very effective.<br /><br />E: The sociopath seems like the perfect personality for the double life.<br /><br />K: Exactly.<br /><br />E: You mentioned hexagrams in rituals. Why hexagrams instead of pentagrams?<br /><br />K: I really don’t know enough about that to know why. When my dad ever did mention it, he indicated they were above the satanists who used the pentagram. It was like a step higher in the occult structure and that’s really all I know.<br /><br />E: When you were with Albert, your first husband, you mention being involved with a church called the Church of the Living Word. Would you caution people regarding churches and other spiritual groups that may be using programming techniques?<br /><br />K: Definitely. There’s a man named Dick Sutphen who has a website that addresses specifically how churches use mind control on their members. I think that should be required reading for anyone who goes to a church.<br /><br />E: Coming out of programming, it must be very tempting to people to just jump into a church.<br /><br />K: Absolutely. I went to so many churches even as I was starting to heal because I needed someone to tell me what to think and do and believe. I had spent my entire life depending on other people to dictate everything to me, so I had to continue finding people who would do that. The hardest thing for me has been to not go to church and to not let people do that. I’ve had to grow up a lot.<br /><br />E: You’ve kept your faith, though?<br /><br />K: I’ve kept my faith, I have no problem with that. Part of my problem now is I went to a seminary for a year and a half and in a lot of ways it was a real good experience. It helped me to break a lot of the religious programming my dad had used through scriptures. I learned the real meanings for the scriptures. That was real important. But I also learned how much just through tradition -- like a pastor passing on a tradition to the person that he’s teaching to be the next pastor -- there is a lot of mind control going on in churches now. People don’t even realize there’s anything wrong with it. It’s the norm.<br /><br />E: Is it intentional mind control or is it letting someone else, an “expert,” do your thinking for you?<br /><br />K: It seems to be intentional, but the flavor of it seems to be that the pastors do it because they think it’s for the congregation’s good. They seem to really believe that it makes them more in line with what God wants them to do and be, and that’s very dangerous. I think it’s so crucial that pastors encourage congregations to think for themselves. I live in what’s called the buckle of the Bible belt, and it’s all over the place here.<br /><br />E: You mention people in dark hoods -- I’ve always associated that with satanism. Would you say that your dad was in a satanic cult or was it specifically just Aryan or do they overlap?<br /><br />K: My dad basically ran his own cult in Pennsylvania. It was a small cult. Later on, when we moved to Georgia, he hooked up with other people who were more Aryan-flavored but even they were still practicing occultism and using rituals to traumatize the children, break their minds, and prepare them for whatever. It all comes together. When Dad was doing the rituals in Pennsylvania, it wasn’t so much Aryan as it was satanism mixed with Luciferianism. He did both. It had to do with his German belief system that had both the good and the bad together, that both were important parts of life. So Satan was important and so was Lucifer. I don’t know how to explain this because when he was doing this, I was just a little girl and all I knew was what he told me.<br /><br />E: When he was using scriptures, what was his purpose?<br /><br />K: Most of that was because as part of his cover, he was taking me to a Lutheran church on a regular basis. So he knew that if he used these scriptures in the rituals, then when I heard it in regular church that would reinforce what he had told me.<br /><br />E: In your introduction, you said that it is a lie when people say that people commit evil acts because they are driven by evil spirits, and yet later you say: “For many years, I’d felt a great blackness inside. Although I didn’t know what it meant, I now think it represented the amnesic barrier between my conscious self and hidden alter-states. I had also sensed for a long time that something evil was in my soul, but I hadn’t known what it was.” What did you mean by this evil if you don’t believe in spirits?<br /><br />K: Myself. The part of me that enjoyed hurting other people. The part of me that enjoyed inflicting pain on other people. That was the part of me that went way over the line. Again, I don’t know if I would have done it if I hadn’t been controlled. I might have, but because again that part of me was compartmentalized and was only out when it was being brought out by the handlers. But those parts of me were the parts of me that responded because of the pain that had been given to me. They inflicted the pain on other people and enjoyed it thoroughly, and that’s so sick.<br /><br />E: So that was one of the parts whose goods parts you were able to reintegrate?<br /><br />K: Right. I don’t know about ‘good parts’ -- that’s kind of hard to say.<br /><br />E: I was thinking of courage, daring -- that sort of thing.<br /><br />K: Yeah.<br /><br />E: That makes sense in the reintegration process and why it’s so important.<br /><br />K: And self-forgiveness was a big part of it because when I integrated with those parts, I experienced what they had experienced, I felt what they had felt, and then I understood why they became the way they did, and I no longer hated them. I felt compassion for them and therefore for myself. But until I was willing to go there, which was very frightening, because I didn’t know if I was going to come back. I was afraid I was going to become that way permanently as the host personality; that terrified me.<br /><br />E: Was that early in recovery?<br /><br />K: About midway; I couldn’t have done it earlier.<br /><br />E: I’m sure there are other survivors who are terrified of those things in themselves.<br /><br />K: Of course. Who wants to believe that they have that in them? I have a friend who was sexually abused as a child. That friend is in recovery and has discovered that she has pedophile tendencies inside of her. She’s never going to do it, but she has had the courage to say that it is in her because of what was done to her as a child. I have so much admiration for her. She is, by the way, an advocate for children to the max because she recognizes that (1) it is in her because of what was done to her as a child, (2) there’s no way in hell she’s ever going to allow it to come out with any kids, and (3) she doesn’t want the kids to go through what she’s been through. So she’s turned around what was evil and made it a wonderful thing.<br /><br />E: Regarding screen memories that are implanted and real memories, how do you know the difference? You mention reviewing the facial expressions on the faces of those in your memories. Were your senses and sensory memory so acute that you could recall such details and therefore know that it was not a screen memory?<br /><br />K: That’s a good question. By screen memory -- in that part of the book -- I would be looking out a window and a helicopter would be coming and they’d put me in a hypnotic state and make me think it was a tornado coming, so I’d be scared and want to run and hide. At the time, I was so convinced it was a tornado that I didn’t pay attention to what I was seeing on their faces; I was just trying to stay alive. But as I went back in memory and saw the smirks and other details, then I would realize that they had been messing with me. The reason I was able to remember these details is because I was very sensitive to stuff like that in other people because I was so darned insecure about myself.<br /><br />E: I have heard from other survivors that your senses get very acute under mind control because you’re operating in such a narrow band of consciousness.<br /><br />K: Right, and what’s really strange about that is especially if you’re under stress, some of the peripheral memory seems to be gone but what you’re really focused on, you will definitely see and remember when it comes up, very clearly.<br /><br />E: When I was talking about screen memories, I think of themes like the alien motif and trying to figure out what exactly it is. Were screen memories via drugs, hypnosis, movies, etc., implanted in you?<br /><br />K: This is very strange. I shared in the CKLN interview back in 1997 [http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/6583/project192.html] that I have had two memories of being taken down in a tunnel system into hermetically sealed rooms by people who wore white suits and I saw what I was told were aliens. They spoke a language that I’ve never heard before or since. But then other people in the system explained to me later that they were genetically created test-tube babies. They said that the Nazis had brought that technology with them after World War Two.<br /><br />E: And you were told this by some of your alters?<br /><br />K: No. By some of the people who were running me. They were quite proud of it. These were Nazis, they were very proud of it. They said that our government’s been doing it ever since. Now, what part of our government I don’t know. At that time when I met those what I call “children” -- because they look like aliens --<br /><br />E: Like grays?<br /><br />K: Yeah. I thought they were aliens, but then later these people explained to me that they were test-tube children and that they’ve been breeding them from generation to generation to become even more that way. So that is another possibility that people may be exposed to them, and who wouldn’t think they’re aliens? -- I don’t have an answer to some of this stuff, all I know is what I’ve personally experienced.<br /><br />E: But you trust that memory?<br /><br />K: Oh yeah, it was very vivid. Very unusual.<br /><br />E: Late in the book, you say, “I told [my therapist] that I was beginning to grasp the powerful connection between addiction to secrecy and seeking employment within an intelligence agency. Over and over, I’d heard that the CIA and other intelligence agencies expected their employees to lie as part of their employment. If the employees couldn’t be honest with their families and neighbors about their employment, did lying gradually become second nature? And how many of them gravitated to intelligence agencies because, having grown up in secretive families, such environments were most comfortable?” Am I right in assuming that part of what you’re suggesting is that many CIA candidates might be chosen because of their family conditioning?<br /><br />K: I believe so. I don’t think it’s necessary that the people interviewing and testing them would have to know specifically what their family background is, but there are certain characteristics that would show up in the testing, and they go through extreme testing before they even pass first base, really. So I think it’s a lot like it was with people like my husband in the Army that were used in certain ways. I’m not saying that -- it makes it sound like I’m saying the CIA is all bad. I don’t mean to give that impression, but I think that there are certain people and pockets in the CIA who are using this for nefarious purposes.<br /><br />E: Which makes sense, given that their hierarchic, need-to-know form of organization would protect those elements.<br /><br />K: Exactly.<br /><br />E: You say, “My support network has helped me to understand that I was not and am not a perpetrator, because perpetrators commit crimes by choice. I was a good person who was repeatedly forced into the most awful situations. I did what was necessary to survive and remain sane.” Is this the ultimate difference between victims and perpetrators -- between tools and murderers: that perpetrators commit crimes by choice and victims don’t?<br /><br />K: I wish it was so black and white, that would be very nice. I’m interning in a facility now where I am meeting people who have committed crimes who have mental illnesses, who weren’t quite mentally there when they did those things -- some of them regressed to earlier times in their lives when they were doing it. So that’s the gray area, and that’s the area where there needs to be a lot more compassion in the legal system. But comparing me and my father, I had a lot of opportunities to do harm to others -- and it didn’t even have to be physical; it could have been just plain being mean to somebody -- I chose not to even though it was in me to do it and I knew it was in me to do it. I would find a way to distract myself, even if it meant taking a long hard walk -- whatever I had to do to keep from hurting other people. It was in me and I knew it was in me. I did hurt my daughter badly one time and that was one of those times when I switched and found out I had done it. What was evil about that was I made her feel like it was her fault. That, to me, I’m sorry, I consider that unforgivable. But in general I tried very, very hard never to let that part of me come out on anyone else. My dad made hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of choices; even when he was planning a ritual, he knew he was going to condition and traumatize me with killed children. He had to make probably twenty different choices to set that up. Each choice was a choice of evil.<br /><br />E: The area of mind control where you’re splitting the personality into a variety of compartments really obscures the whole issue of choice, and now that we know about this technology we’ve got to really examine the choice factor.<br /> You mention that when the flashbacks of porn shoots get ridiculous, you start poking fun at the grotesque memories instead of letting them retraumatize you. Can you talk to survivors a little about the use of humor in recovery?<br /><br />K: I don’t think it’s possible to recover from these types of traumas without developing a sense of humor. My humor starting out in recovery was very dark, very sarcastic, very cutting. I developed the Up Uranus website back in about the mid-1990s and some other mind control survivors made poems and little songs as messages on the internet for our perpetrators. It was our way of expressing our rage at them. But then I realized that for me it was not healthy; it was keeping me stuck in my anger. Part of the way I was able to have a healthier sense of humor was to find something good in what had happened to me -- not necessarily good at that time but something I could make good out of it now. By doing that, I was able to feel more relief and less anger and my humor became happier. I’m able to laugh a lot more now, and for me it’s crucial. A book came out maybe ten years ago about laughter being healing physically; I think it’s healing emotionally, too. If I don’t have a sense of humor, I’m not worth a hill of beans.<br /><br />E: You describe your slow reintegration process. Does this mean you see reintegration as a slow process and not a matter of a few therapeutic sessions? Do you believe everyone has to reintegrate in order to “be better”?<br /><br />K: If a person’s been severely traumatized, whether it’s one time or a series of times or for over thirty years like me, a couple of sessions is just not going to do it. At the same time, I don’t know that it’s necessary for everyone even to go into therapy. Like my friend who realized she had that dark side in her that could hurt children, if they’re aware of it and are able to control it on their own and their past is not affecting their life now in a negative way in their relationships or whatever, more power to them. There’s other ways to heal besides therapy. There are support groups for one. And this is real important for survivors to know because a lot of them don’t have insurance and cannot afford to pay a therapist. It’s a terrible situation right now, with HMOs especially. For someone like me, it has taken a very long time with intensive therapy, I’ve been hospitalized I believe seven-plus times now -- I hope not to have to go in the hospital anymore, it was for major depression, by the way. Because I’ve been through so much -- and there’s a lot I still don’t remember and I really don’t want to because it’s so darn traumatic -- I’m going to be remembering and healing I know the rest of my life, no question about it. Every morning still, I write down at least three more memories that come to me when I wake up. It’s ridiculous.<br /><br />E: Do you feel you’ve reintegrated most of the alters that were fragmented off?<br /><br />K: As far as I know, I have. I know that there are some I’m not integrated with yet, but what’s happened is I’ve done work with them to where I am aware of what the memories and emotions are that they had compartmentalized. The edge is off. A lot of the strength of the memories is ebbed now. So some of these alter states that I have have one more issue that needs to be dealt with, a lot of times the issue that caused them to be created in the first place and I’m a wimp [laughs], I don’t want to go through that.<br /><br />E: [Laughs] You’re hardly a wimp.<br /><br />K: I feel like it sometimes. So what I do is when I have a month or a couple of months off from school, then I go ahead and I go, ‘Okay, let’s deal with it,’ and I take time off from life and do it. But those alter states are not much of a problem for me per se anymore in that I don’t switch and I don’t have daytime flashbacks like I used to. Being on Zyprexa, by the way, has been very, very helpful with the flashbacks and nightmares. Zyprexa is an anti-psychotic medication, but it also cuts down on flashbacks and nightmares. There’s another one called Risperdal. I had a problem with tremors with the Risperdal, that was bad, but the Zyprexa works great. Medications are helpful. I’ve taken several, I’m on Wellbutrin for depression and it’s very helpful.<br /><br />E: Do you plan to stay on them or do you try to get off of them?<br /><br />K: No, I plan to stay on them. I also take Ativan for anxiety, but only take it when I have to. Zyprexa and Wellbutrin are not habit-forming; Ativan is. Go back to the question.<br /><br />E: Do you believe everyone has to reintegrate in order to “be better”?<br /><br />K: “Better”? No. Now, there are some trauma survivors who have alter states that were not developed out of ritual abuse or mind control. They were developed out of other traumas. If those survivors can find a way to be at peace with their alter states and it not affect their lives in a negative way, more power to them. The problem, though, is when you have alter states that were developed specifically for the sake of controlling you and using you to do illegal or immoral activities -- it is an issue because it can happen again. This stuff is so... It’s done in such an assembly line fashion now that a survivor can move clear across the country; they might have certain behaviors or even jewelry that identifies their history that they don’t realize identifies it -- they might have the mole markings on certain parts of their body that identifies them -- and a perpetrator who doesn’t know them from Jack might come up to them, recognize something on them, and therefore know what their triggers are. It’s dangerous. And that’s why I think it’s important even if we don’t integrate -- like I’m not fully integrated, but I’m co-conscious, I’m aware of what these other alter states have experienced enough to know what their buttons are, what their triggers are, so that if someone does come up to me now and start that crap, I know who they are and I know what they’re up to. It doesn’t get hold of me, it doesn’t trance me out to where I’m under their control. Now, I’m not saying it can’t happen, but I’ve also done a lot of EEG biofeedback which has been very helpful in not dissociating.<br /><br />E: By showing portions of your brain activated?<br /><br />K: What it did was -- and this can be very triggering for survivors, it was very frightening for me to do because they hooked up electrodes to my scalp -- [laughs] that brought back memories! But what I did was I would look at a computer screen. It helped me to stay more in the front part of my brain, which is where the beta brain waves are -- the conscious, cognitive part of my brain. That way, I was less likely to trance out. I don’t do it much now, but I used to be able to sit in a room and pick out a spot on the far wall, a little tiny dot, stare at it, and the whole room would go away. I dissociated very easily and frankly, dissociation was my drug of choice. I didn’t need anything else, although I used to like marijuana very much and if it were legal, I’d probably smoke it now. But dissociation was my drug of choice. It was an addiction. It was a way to escape anything that was unpleasant. So I’ve had to work very, very hard at staying present when things are unpleasant or scary or frightening or embarrassing, and to not look at that little dot on the floor or wall and zone out.<br /><br />E: And that’s important for other survivors to do as well.<br /><br />K: I think it’s crucial. I don’t think I would have gotten to the point where I’m not a victim, at least as far as I know, had I not really worked on staying present.<br /><br />E: How do you think perpetrators see your “coming out”? I know you’re careful about certain names. Do you feel that keeping silence on those names will save your life? How do you live with knowing that they don’t like what you’re doing?<br /><br />K: I’m blunt about this: the people I’m most afraid of are the people from Cobb County, Georgia. They are extremely dangerous, they’re Aryans, murder is no problem for them. They’ve made waves here for me. There are several people who are allegedly from the CIA Directorate of Operations who made life miserable for me in 1997. There are people who for whatever reason seem truly terrified that I might say things about them. That’s their problem. My concern is to get information out in a way that’s going to help people to heal and help people to recognize what’s going on with survivors. I don’t give a flip about those perpetrators much anymore. I used to focus a lot on them, but then that kept me from healing. What I do now is -- like I name my father, but that’s partly because I have my stepmother’s permission and partly because I know for a fact that he hurt a lot of children, and I know that there may be some people who will see his face in the picture in the book and understood who and then they’ll know why. They deserve to know that. A lot of people that I could name I’m not naming, and it’s not because so much I’m afraid of them as it is I’m realizing that by naming them it narrows down people’s attention on them to where they’re not aware that there’s a lot of other people out there like them. So that’s why I’m trying to put more information in the book about their methods and their mentality, their types of behaviors, so that people won’t focus on one person and not realize that there’s other people doing the same stuff.<br /><br />E: At the beginning of this interview, I quote from your “Mary Magdalene” poem that you crossed out in your manuscript. What are you going to do with all those poems you’ve crossed out?<br /><br />K: [Laughs] Gordon Thomas put out a book about Mary Magdalene and he sent me a copy. He’ s been very helpful and given me the courage to put my book out, by the way. He hooked me up with my publisher. I think he’s a wonderful man. I read the book and realized how much that character was similar to what I had been growing up and even as a young adult, and it helped bring up those feelings that I put into the poem. But then I was afraid to put it in the book because I don’t want to offend certain groups of people to where they won’t be willing to learn from what else is in the book. It’s hard to know what to do with it sometimes. I have other poetry too that I think would be very useful -- I’ll do something with it.<br /><br />E: Last comments?<br /><br />K: Again, I think we need to focus on mind control being a civil rights issue. There are several other pro-survivor groups that are now making the same decision and we’re getting more organized together. We’re realizing this is the way we’re going to have to present it to get the attention we need because as long as we keep calling it ‘mind control’ or ‘ritual abuse,’ it’s too easy for people to put it in a little slot and keep it there.<br /><br />E: Is anyone writing about that, the civil rights aspect?<br /><br />K: There’s one group, RAT, Jeanne Sarson and Linda MacDonald in Canada. I believe they’re even going to be addressing the UN pretty soon about it. There’s a movie called Mississippi Burning and a song at the end of it called “Walk On,” a group of black people singing it. Every time I hear that song, I break down and cry like a baby because I realize that even though the song was about black civil rights issues, it applies directly to us. We have to keep on walking on, no matter what happens, no matter what obstacles are in our way, no matter who gets potshots and gets hurt and killed along the way that we love dearly. We’ve got to keep on going and not give up. See, the perpetrators think we’re going to, and so if we do, they win. We can’t let them win, and that’s the bottom line for me. Until I can’t write anymore or talk anymore, I’m going to keep communicating this stuff. I have committed my life to doing this, and I feel a great joy now because I’ve made that decision. I went through several years of stark raving fear because I knew that there might be a great cost for doing this, but then I realized that if I don’t do it, I’m going to spend the rest of my life being miserable because I could have done it and didn’t. As soon as I made the decision, I am at such peace now and feel such joy. It’s really exciting.<br /><br />E: Thank you so much, Kathleen. I appreciate the time and all the love you’ve poured into quite a gift to people when your book comes out. Could you again say the name of the book?<br /><br />K: Unshackled: A Survivor’s Story of Mind Control, put out by Dandelion Books.ConspiraZine!http://www.blogger.com/profile/01517935464511953712noreply@blogger.com1